Better than the new Moori???

Shawn Armstrong said:
There are a bunch of us that have had problems with Talisman and Tiger. It's not me, sorry to burst your bubble.

I don't think there is much that you can teach me in regards to installing tips, as I think we pretty much all do it the exact same way. Thanks for the effort. I have spoken with Tony at Tiger and he told me I was doing the installs properly (maybe I got a bad batch of Snipers when they first came out), and Tony from Talisman came to the exact same conclusion.

Mooris hold up great, the same as most "good" laminated tips. I just don't like them, and you will never prove to me that a laminated tip is better. To me, it's pure hype that the consumer has bought into yet again. Moori comes out with a tip that people were willing to pay $40 to buy, back years ago. Then, everyone and their dog comes out with their laminated tip, with the line "as good as a moori, yet half the price". If I ever play laminated again, it's Moori, or nothing. I, however, like one piece tips. I am willing to sacrifice the "so-called" extra consistency for lack of miscues, and the improved feel of the one piece tip.
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Sounds like you were offended and that was not even close to my intent. I have offered and have helped many that have called me for information and am very happy to do so. You didn't "burst my bubble". All I did was to extend that offer to you.

Sniper tips came out 6 or 7 years ago and you're still passing judgment on the ones you installed back then. Talisman did have delamination problems 2 or 3 years ago, but to my knowledge, that has been cleared up.

You mentioned that I "will never prove to you that a laminated tip is better".??? I haven't said anything about laminated tips being better. My offer to you was in regards to helping to decrease your lamination problems if you were open to some help. Obviously you are a man that sticks to what he believes like Loctite to a tip.

No offense intended. Just trying to help.

Gene
 
Cuedog said:
Sounds like you were offended and that was not even close to my intent. I have offered and have helped many that have called me for information and am very happy to do so. You didn't "burst my bubble". All I did was to extend that offer to you.
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Something I learned a long time ago on a golf course - don't offer advise to anyone that doesn't ask for it.

I didn't ask, so don't offer. I'm not a zit-faced kid that started retipping cues yesterday. I've been around for all generations of Moori, and the creation of the Tiger and Talisman tips. The Talismans used to be junk. Same with the Tigers. Moori has always been good. If your wife cheated on you a lot in the past, do you trust her now? That's how I feel about Tiger and Talisman. I don't trust their reliability due to their issues in the past. I don't expect much out of a Le Pro or Triangle for the investment. I get a box of 50 for $30. I can throw out the odd bad tip.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Something I learned a long time ago on a golf course - don't offer advise to anyone that doesn't ask for it.

I didn't ask, so don't offer. I'm not a zit-faced kid that started retipping cues yesterday. I've been around for all generations of Moori, and the creation of the Tiger and Talisman tips. The Talismans used to be junk. Same with the Tigers. Moori has always been good. If your wife cheated on you a lot in the past, do you trust her now? That's how I feel about Tiger and Talisman. I don't trust their reliability due to their issues in the past. I don't expect much out of a Le Pro or Triangle for the investment. I get a box of 50 for $30. I can throw out the odd bad tip.
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You may not be new at tipping but apparently you continue to have issues with the technique is all that I am saying. It's not as important how long you've been around it, as much as how many you have installed successfully.

With all of your stated experience at this, I would have thought you would have more of an open mind towards the continual development and product evolution that Moori, Talisman, OB-1, Predator, Tiger X-shaft, and many more have taken themselves through. All of the ones I mentioned have listened to the consumer and have made adjustments and enhancements to their products in an effort to make them better. They will all tell you that it is an ongoing learning process and that you learn from keeping your ears and mind open, and your finger on the pulse.

Notice I excluded the Tweeten company that produces LeProfessional and Triangle among others, because they don't give a damn about the consumer. You have to give them credit though. They realize that there will be a market for a cheap tip forever, so that's what they continue to produce, a cheap product in more ways than one.

The conversation with you Shawn has been a spirited one, but I'm going back to my initial subject and question which is, what tip do you like more than the Moori tip, and more importantly, WHY?

Gene <-----A sponge Always open to learning new things.
 
My personal playing cues have Triangles and Le Pros. Those are my two favourite tips. They spin the ball as good as a Moori (if not better), and are less expensive. Every so often, when I happen to stumble across any Chandivert tips, the Crown is my absolute favourite.

IF I were to ever install a layered tip on my cues again, it would only be a Moori. I've never had a bad one in 10+ years that I have installed them. The reason I like the Triangles and Le Pro tips better than the Moori is that they hold chalk. Laminated tips, by their design, are about 10% glue. When you sand your layered tip, you expose the leather AND the glue. Glue lines don't seem to like holding chalk. The rounder you keep your tip, the more glue lines appear. I have had 10 times the miscues with layered tips as I have with the good old one piece from Tweeten.

BTW, in regards to Tweetens not giving a crap, Tiger and Talisman never sent me a thing after I complained about their tips. The difference? 50 tips from Tweeten costs $30. 12 tips from Tiger - $110. 9 tips from Talisman - $65. Think I care if I have the odd dud tip from Tweeten? If I get 25 good ones out of the box, I'm still farther ahead that with either of the other two.
 
McChen said:
i've gone back to single layer tips after using laminated tips for awhile. though i never really had any problems with tips delaminating or anything. just not really worth the money, the single layer tips play just as good and feel more solid. as for longevity, i haven't really measured exactly, but probably not too much difference. maybe layered tips do last a little longer, but not that much. i do my own tips, so it's just easy for me to cut one off and put on another. i also don't see why everyone is so concerned about mushrooming. tips do that, they're leather and leather compresses. just trim it off, no big deal!

the tips i like the best are triumph, triangle, and sumo. gonna get some blue diamonds to try, i hear they are good as well.
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Although I don't agree that there isn't much difference in the longevity as well as the playing difference, I DO very much agree that the issue with tips mushrooming is overplayed.

The compression of the leather is a part of this game we play. Leather against rock hard balls...something's got to give, and it's the tip! There's only a few tips that don't mushroom 95% of the time. I consider that added value in addition to how well they play.

Gene
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Look for the ones with the most even number of "dots" on the bottom of the tip. Usually the denser hides have more of these spots on them. Sand the bottoms and make sure there are no cracks in the hide. After that, I put them away in a pill bottle for my use. So far, so good.

Also, the bad ones have a funny taste.......... :)
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Thanks for the information.
 
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