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I was watching Efren Reyes vs Bustamante match the other night... Am I the only one that thinks that it is amazing that they practice stroke with the tip on the table and on the final stroke contact the cueball exactly where they want to and still make a shot?

I have tried it and it doesn't work for me. I see most Filipinos shoot this way and many of them are INCREDIBLE players.

Wish I knew (really) what they are doing. I don't believe it is CTE, ETE, MSG or MPG. I have tried these techniques and although they work for some shots they don't work for all shots. (yes I know I had the cue lined up wrong... blah blah blah, I shouldn't have to worry about it... Efren doesn't)
 
Johnny "V" said:
Am I the only one that thinks that it is amazing that they practice stroke with the tip on the table and on the final stroke contact the cueball exactly where they want to and still make a shot?

I have tried it and it doesn't work for me. I see most Filipinos shoot this way and many of them are INCREDIBLE players.
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I had a player explain this to me a few weeks or so ago and showed me how to use it and what it was supposed to do. I had some success with it and it was interesting to see some shots in a different way, but without extended practice with it I wasn't going to be proficient and I've got a difficult enough time as it is playing this game. I didn't see any reason to make my routine harder than it needs to be, so I still just line up and try to hit where I'm aiming without having to change my tip's location during the shot.
 
I have wondered about this for years! Seriously. I cannot figure out how, nor why, they do that. It always looks like they are playing a mega-draw shot, and then BAM.....force follow inside. I hope someone goes into detail about why they shoot this way. This has bugged me for years.


Braden
 
for those of you interested in this technique, buy bert kinister's deflection tape and you will see the light.
 
BradenK said:
I have wondered about this for years! Seriously. I cannot figure out how, nor why, they do that. It always looks like they are playing a mega-draw shot, and then BAM.....force follow inside. I hope someone goes into detail about why they shoot this way. This has bugged me for years.


Braden
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I think it is to line up the shot while keeping the end of the cue as much out of your line of sight as possible. The higher the cue is aimed up on the cueball the more it obstructs your vision of the imaginary line between the cueball and the impact point on the object ball or the rail point that you are aiming for. The point where the cueball touches the table shows you the exact center of the vertical axis of the ball when you are aimed at the object ball. As long as you don't swerve your stroke off the forward line, you can use BHE to place the tip wherever you want on the cueball on the final stroke to get the desired English.
 
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AtLarge said:
Can you explain this for us?
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At the risk of being wrong.. not that I care. :D

So, you cue up straight on line from the center to your aiming point, while cueing down at the felt near the bottom of the ball. Part of it, I think, is that you're using the lowest point of the ball as a true center reference. If you want top, etc, you simply switch off on your shot stroke. It was interesting to see how easy I could get english to take that way, but the idea that I was switching my hit spot from where I had been aiming was something that I couldn't get over. Like I said, I could be wrong about just about everything..

I played somebody last fall that I didn't know, but he used that technique.. I could tell right away that he was an excellent shot, as I don't think you'll find many hacks cueing up like that in a nice, fluid motion. Lucky for me, I pulled a win outta my... Which was something I failed to do against the player that showed me this method recently.

As I usually say.. if you're getting results from something you're doing, keep at it. I'm still getting results from what I do, so a new method is not something I want to hamstring my game with right now.
 
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Johnny V, the Filipino's have many systems.
Just as here in the US.
I would basically say that they have different names.

If you mean they are aiming at he bottom it is just to see there site line.

If you mean they are applying English, when they are hitting the ball.
Then they are using a pivot system. Explanations are different but the methods are the same.

The Laws of Physics never change.
 
I inadvertently do this... not sure why, I just instinctively cue for extreme draw even when I hit follow shots
 
I believe the players that cue low (Shane does it too, as do some others) do that to help find true center (easier at the bottom of the ball) and/or to get a full sight picture of the cue ball without the shaft being in the way. I've shot follow shots this way as well, just would take a lot of talent and practice to be able to consistently contact the cue ball somewhere other than where you are aiming on your final stroke. Obviously those guys have both... :)

I'm pretty sure most of the Filipinos use some sort of alignment system, CTE or something similar. Bustamante alluded to it during a conversation, and it's very obvious that he's not aiming normally on most of his shots. He is more pronounced in the manual implementation of it, as is one or two other players I've seen, while the others like Efren, Parica, etc. may sight that way but settle into the shot with more of a seamless movement. I'm sure it was discovered or learned by the elder players and passed down along the way.

Takes a lot of talent for Bustamante to consistently hit some other point on the cue ball when always aligning low left and changing on the final stroke, but something he must have learned and stuck with. That, and the combination of pivot points and BHE and practice, allows him and others to pretty much use whatever english they want on the final stroke to accomplish position with very little guesswork for adjustments.

Scott
 
JMS said:
for those of you interested in this technique, buy bert kinister's deflection tape and you will see the light.
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A year and a half ago, I was in P.I., went to a bowling alley/pool hall, Makati Cinema Square, one of several spots where a lot of "tiradors", (hustlers), hang out. One guy explained to me that with that kind of stroke (Bustie's), you can actually see the reflection of the tip of the cue off the cue ball and also see the reflection on how true your stroke is. He was going to go through more details but we got interrupted and then I didn't get anymore chance to talk to the guy.
 
Everyone's eyes are a little different. When many people think they are aiming center ball they are actually off. This causes you to put english on the cue ball, even if you don't want it.
The cue ball is resting on center ball. It has to it is a sphere. By putting the tip of your cue at the base of the ball you are assured of aiming center ball. You then move you tip up if you want to center true center ball or raise the tip higher if you want to follow. No english. You are staying on the vertical axis.
 
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