BK Rush tip flaking

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Catalin

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The very center of my BK Rush tip came off cleanly after a break. A quick search shows quite a few reports of that happening, and Predator even has an article that says it's normal and expected? Basically a feature LOL. What does everyone here think of that? Please no suggestions of replacing with tip X, I'm only curious about your opinion on the article. Thanks

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Catalin said:
The very center of my BK Rush tip came off cleanly after a break. A quick search shows quite a few reports of that happening, and Predator even has an article that says it's normal and expected? Basically a feature LOL. What does everyone here think of that? Please no suggestions of replacing with tip X, I'm only curious about your opinion on the article. Thanks

BK Hybrid Tip Wear and Maintenance

BK Hybrid Tips are featured, exclusively, on Predator break and break/jump cues, such as the BK Rush and Air Rush. Due to its outstanding break peformance, the BK Hybrid Tip has become one of our m...
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mine was doing the same from new.. after a lot of shaping I said f it and put on a new tip.
 
This has been covered in several other posts a while back. There was a bad batch of "hybrid" tips that the BK Rush had installed. These tips were the same as the Samsara "hybrid" break tips. Apparently, the resin infusion into the leather-layered tips didn't hold well and the tips would separate after a while. Lucky me, a couple of years ago, I had the BK Rush tip separate on me and I replaced it with a Samsara break tip. Low and behold, you know the rest of the story. It didn't take a genius to realize they were the same tips. Out of respect for the OP, I won't say what I eventually ended up installing on my break stick.
On a side note, never use a pick style tool to rough up a layered tip. They will catch those layers and eventually lift them. Those tools were designed for single layer tips like Elk Masters and Le Pro's.
 
I have changed a lot of those. Kamui SAI is really popular. Zan has their long awaited Double Face break tip right around the corner, that's a strong contender.
 
The OEM tip on my BK Rush did this as well. I shaped it down, but it did it again. I have since switched tips to a HORO Black Storm. Normal or not, I wouldn't go back to their hybrid tip.
 
RickLafayette said:
This has been covered in several other posts a while back. There was a bad batch of "hybrid" tips that the BK Rush had installed. These tips were the same as the Samsara "hybrid" break tips. Apparently, the resin infusion into the leather-layered tips didn't hold well and the tips would separate after a while. Lucky me, a couple of years ago, I had the BK Rush tip separate on me and I replaced it with a Samsara break tip. Low and behold, you know the rest of the story. It didn't take a genius to realize they were the same tips. Out of respect for the OP, I won't say what I eventually ended up installing on my break stick.
On a side note, never use a pick style tool to rough up a layered tip. They will catch those layers and eventually lift them. Those tools were designed for single layer tips like Elk Masters and Le Pro's.
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Have you read the article and what is your opinion on it?
 
Years ago I used the Samsara JB tip for quite some time & experieced exactly this regularly. Layered tip, top layer gets thin, glue gives up, voila. I changed to the Andy Gilbert’s Gator JB tips, been using them for 10 yrs or so with ZERO issues of any kind, and have never felt a need to change.
Sounds like Predator is clear in the expectation for their product’s “understandable” failure.
Not a Predator fan…
 
That article reeks of cover up. According to them ALL layered tips would be coming apart. From your photo, consider yourself lucky. Mine, and many others, had their tips separating at, and past, the halfway mark. Predator can at least fess up and say they got a bad batch of these tips. No one would fault them for that.
FYI: I am a big Predator fan, have owned, collected, and sold, dozens of their cues and shafts. I shoot a P3 Bocote with a 12.4 Revo and of course, my BK Rush with an aftermarket tip.
 
RickLafayette said:
... never use a pick style tool to rough up a layered tip. They will catch those layers and eventually lift them. Those tools were designed for single layer tips like Elk Masters and Le Pro's.
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I've used nothing but a Tip Pik on my Ultraskin layered tips for many years - never a single problem, maybe because I only tap straight in and pull straight out, never twisting.

Also, if only the topmost layer comes off that could be a good thing on a break stick - a flat center to forgive slight stroke errors.

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Interesting. I've been using my BK Rush for a little over a year now and haven't experienced anything like that. I like a fairly flat break tip though so after reshaping it to my taste upon arrival I really haven't done a single thing to it since then. Holds chalk plenty good for a break cue as is so I just leave it alone. Will have to keep an eye on it though to see if this develops.

How old is this cue and tip?
 
Had that happen with the OG Predator tip on mine and the Samsara that i replaced it with. I've had other layered leather break tips delaminate on me also. I'd say it's not abnormal for a break tip, but also shouldn't be happening frequently and after minimal use.

FWIW I've had a Kamui SAI Control on for about 6 months and it's been fantastic.
 
There are 2 reasons to change a tip::
a) you don't like it
b) it has worn out

Take you tip and shape it with sand paper; stroking only from the center to the edge {{laminated tips can be pulled apart if the sandpaper pulls on a layer of lamination upwards.}|

I don't know about (a) but (b) is not.
 
It’s happens to most of the one si have had
Usually just the one time then it’s fine again
Minuscule consequence

The new one I have now didn’t do that

I feel like a flatter tip helps breaking a little more than a full radius

I’ve never felt the need to get it changed to any other tip or even replace the same
Stock tip is top notch imo
 
slide13 said:
Interesting. I've been using my BK Rush for a little over a year now and haven't experienced anything like that. I like a fairly flat break tip though so after reshaping it to my taste upon arrival I really haven't done a single thing to it since then. Holds chalk plenty good for a break cue as is so I just leave it alone. Will have to keep an eye on it though to see if this develops.

How old is this cue and tip?
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I don't remember exactly when I got it but I think around 1.5 years. I bought it new
 
Texas Carom Club said:
It’s happens to most of the one si have had
Usually just the one time then it’s fine again
Minuscule consequence

The new one I have now didn’t do that

I feel like a flatter tip helps breaking a little more than a full radius

I’ve never felt the need to get it changed to any other tip or even replace the same
Stock tip is top notch imo
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I agree I like the stock tip and I think it's a strong reason to choose this cue. I think a hard leather tip might be very nice too.
 
slide13 said:
Interesting. I've been using my BK Rush for a little over a year now and haven't experienced anything like that. I like a fairly flat break tip though so after reshaping it to my taste upon arrival I really haven't done a single thing to it since then. Holds chalk plenty good for a break cue as is so I just leave it alone. Will have to keep an eye on it though to see if this develops.

How old is this cue and tip?
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I can tell you I got mine at the expo last year and it started doing it with in a month.
MitchAlsup said:
There are 2 reasons to change a tip::
a) you don't like it
b) it has worn out

Take you tip and shape it with sand paper; stroking only from the center to the edge {{laminated tips can be pulled apart if the sandpaper pulls on a layer of lamination upwards.}|

I don't know about (a) but (b) is not.
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If you had one of these tips you would know in this situation you are wrong. You could shape all you want and the middle just get peeling and falling apart. It was definitely a problem in the manufacturing process.
 
trob said:
I can tell you I got mine at the expo last year and it started doing it with in a month.

If you had one of these tips you would know in this situation you are wrong. You could shape all you want and the middle just get peeling and falling apart. It was definitely a problem in the manufacturing process.
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Then it falls into category a !! you don't like it.

So, if you don't like it change it to something else and repeat the experiment.
 
MitchAlsup said:
Then it falls into category a !! you don't like it.

So, if you don't like it change it to something else and repeat the experiment.
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No it doesn’t fall into category a lol it’s not supposed to do that. I could like it just fine if there wasn’t a manufacturing issue.
 
Mine didn't wear to that extreme like I've seen some people post about their tips. Like the center was where all the wear was but it never flaked off like that. Having never even tried to scuff/shape it after owning one for ~3 years, I bought a last4ever quarter radius shaper. With that, it basically took off the top black layer and exposed the, what I assume to be, meaty leather interior. Could never really get a nice layer of chalk on it efficiently until I shaped it (whowouldathunk)
 
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