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why? it's a logical question given the recent past history. maybe you know something about the contractual arrangements?Cornerman said:
i would think an writer with an abundance of cue knowledge like yourself might even be interested in doing the book. would you not like to see the product improved upon?
BB IV......doubtful
I think that whomever it might be would be extremely wise to hear both sides of what happened between BB inc/Brad and Martyne and throughly evaluate such a project before engaging. We've all really only heard one side, which in and of itself does make me wonder. After all, there's usually 3 sides to these kind of stories....A, B, and the C (the truth).
Sean
I think that whomever it might be would be extremely wise to hear both sides of what happened between BB inc/Brad and Martyne and throughly evaluate such a project before engaging. We've all really only heard one side, which in and of itself does make me wonder. After all, there's usually 3 sides to these kind of stories....A, B, and the C (the truth).
Sean
Every three or four years is enough for a Blue Book of Pool Cues. Best advice I have is to buy this one so it will be profitable for Brad. If it is profitable he will be more inclined to want to do a forth edition. Brad makes a good living without this book, so it has to be worth his time to do it. Let's make it worth his time. I bought 48 of them myself. No telling how long it will take me to sell them, but I want it to be profitable so it will keep being done. Sure some of the pricing is high or low, but the exposure it gets cuemakers is great.iconcue said:
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you say it's good for cue makers. why wouldnt it be better for cue makers if it came out more than every 3 or 4 years?cueman said:
if brad makes a good living without the book and doesnt really want to do it, why do you want him to?
if the book only comes out every 3 to 4 years why include cue values that will not be current?
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do you know what the current arrangement is? from what's been posted it sounds like bluebook contracted with brad and he in turn subbed it out to martyne.cueaddicts said:
i don't understand why bluebook would not have just contracted with martyne and left brad out of the equation if he didnt want to be involved.
iconcue said:
Jeff, I do not know but definitely agree that's a logical deduction based on the limited info that's been available.
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My name is Brian. I work in the editorial department of a major non-fiction publishing house. And I love pool. I also love cues. I would be more than happy to write the 4th edition. My fee will simply be to have my choice of any cue I desire (within reason) from each collector and/or cuemaker I focus on.
I still say Rubino should write it. Rubino or Fred. And either Sherwin or Icon should take the pictures because they do the best camera work I've seen on this site. But Shorty?! The guy has never even heard of Ernie Martinez!!!
I still say Rubino should write it. Rubino or Fred. And either Sherwin or Icon should take the pictures because they do the best camera work I've seen on this site. But Shorty?! The guy has never even heard of Ernie Martinez!!!
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Here are some major problems with the current bluebook situation..
1) This project is to time consuming for anyone who has other commitments..
2) The person who does the blue book again needs to be focused on it and only it to get it out in a timely manner.. why you ask
a) The 3rd edition was formulated based on 3 year old values.. The cuemaker biographies and price structures were done in 2002-2003..The book was outdated 2 years ago.. HOW TO HELP PROBLEM.. It should be less than a year long project, not 3 years to have any weight or merit..
b) Do you think cuemakers will want to take part in another edition if they feel the current blue book has inacurate information like this one does on 90% of them.. Its 2005 , many cuemakers asking prices have gone up since the biographies were done in 2002-2003.... Many cuemakers secondary market values have gone up also.... It hurts their retail sales..
How to help:
There needs to be a commitee to determine secondary market values.. It should be made up of retailers, colllectors, dealers.. not just a handful either.. I am talking 20 people..This would ensure all cues are represented..
Lastly,, for a value guide to be of any merit or weight it needs to be done at least quarterly.. You look at every value guide for all collectible items.. The ones that are used are at least quarterly guides..not every 4 years.. Baseball cards..monthly, coins monthly.. autos.. monthly..quarterly,, guns monthly..
Many values in the blue book are up to $3000 off accurate market values, both ways.. SO use the current blue book as a nice picture book with a estimate of your cues value knowing that it probably is not correct..
We all know the market changes monthly and a cue is only worth what one person will pay you for it..
How are these suggestions Jeff..
Mike
Here are some major problems with the current bluebook situation..
1) This project is to time consuming for anyone who has other commitments..
2) The person who does the blue book again needs to be focused on it and only it to get it out in a timely manner.. why you ask
a) The 3rd edition was formulated based on 3 year old values.. The cuemaker biographies and price structures were done in 2002-2003..The book was outdated 2 years ago.. HOW TO HELP PROBLEM.. It should be less than a year long project, not 3 years to have any weight or merit..
b) Do you think cuemakers will want to take part in another edition if they feel the current blue book has inacurate information like this one does on 90% of them.. Its 2005 , many cuemakers asking prices have gone up since the biographies were done in 2002-2003.... Many cuemakers secondary market values have gone up also.... It hurts their retail sales..
How to help:
There needs to be a commitee to determine secondary market values.. It should be made up of retailers, colllectors, dealers.. not just a handful either.. I am talking 20 people..This would ensure all cues are represented..
Lastly,, for a value guide to be of any merit or weight it needs to be done at least quarterly.. You look at every value guide for all collectible items.. The ones that are used are at least quarterly guides..not every 4 years.. Baseball cards..monthly, coins monthly.. autos.. monthly..quarterly,, guns monthly..
Many values in the blue book are up to $3000 off accurate market values, both ways.. SO use the current blue book as a nice picture book with a estimate of your cues value knowing that it probably is not correct..
We all know the market changes monthly and a cue is only worth what one person will pay you for it..
How are these suggestions Jeff..
Mike
i never bought nor bothered with the bb.
so,,,,is it's main purpose to keep a current price list? if so, and it is inaccurate, then what's the point of it?
if it's just to profile new and current cuemakers, then all there need be is an updated adendum or revision pamphlet.
if it strives to be encyclopedic or academic, then it only needs to be done once every 20-30 years.
if it's done to make money for the creator, then he will sacrafice the integrity of the above and it's your money to do with as you please.
pricing can be easy and intuitive. publish the price of a new cue in 2000, and the price of that very same new cue in 2005. if people can't adjust for used/condition/wait time/etc, or can they afford it or not, then they deserve what they get. the book can provide links to all cuedealers for indivisuals to check out.
the book can provide a reference point through which any cuemaker can be compared to all others. that's all the info a buyer needs.
maybe the bb is trying to do too many things.
so,,,,is it's main purpose to keep a current price list? if so, and it is inaccurate, then what's the point of it?
if it's just to profile new and current cuemakers, then all there need be is an updated adendum or revision pamphlet.
if it strives to be encyclopedic or academic, then it only needs to be done once every 20-30 years.
if it's done to make money for the creator, then he will sacrafice the integrity of the above and it's your money to do with as you please.
pricing can be easy and intuitive. publish the price of a new cue in 2000, and the price of that very same new cue in 2005. if people can't adjust for used/condition/wait time/etc, or can they afford it or not, then they deserve what they get. the book can provide links to all cuedealers for indivisuals to check out.
the book can provide a reference point through which any cuemaker can be compared to all others. that's all the info a buyer needs.
maybe the bb is trying to do too many things.
coastydad said:
You might have posted it as a joke, but call and ask some cuemakers and industry people and I'm sure I'd get more then one resounding vote of confidence. The fact is I couldn't do worse and I know who I would surround myself with to make it a much better book then it is now. That being said I know to much about this industry and I know enough not to waste my time on a project that wouldn't make any money.
Jim
JimBo said:
Yeah, it was meant in jest. Unfortunately, I haven't seen the latest edition of the Blue Book yet so I can't say whether it's better or worse than the previous ones. There's obviously a lot of contraversy over the cue pricing, who was left out and the veracity of some of the contributors. Guess I better get one.