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You might have posted it as a joke, but call and ask some cuemakers and industry people and I'm sure I'd get more then one resounding vote of confidence. The fact is I couldn't do worse and I know who I would surround myself with to make it a much better book then it is now. That being said I know to much about this industry and I know enough not to waste my time on a project that wouldn't make any money.

Jim

i thought you were interested in cues? and that you were not into them to make money. if you had the interest and didnt feel the need to make money why would you not be interested on the grounds that it would not make money (assuming you would clear your time and expenses)? why would bluebook put out a third edition if it does not make money?
no ones saying you would have to use the same format. possibly there is a format that would be more profitable.
you could always take the online subscription route. surely it could be made profitable if done well online.

 

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How are these suggestions Jeff..


Mike

mike! you ignorant slut! THANKS!

 

[spanky981]

mike! you ignorant slut! THANKS!

I wll be looking for your payment.. I aint no cheap HO..

Mike

 

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And either Sherwin or Icon should take the pictures

thanks for the compliment!
who is sherwin?

 

[JimBo]

i thought you were interested in cues? and that you were not into them to make money. if you had the interest and didnt feel the need to make money why would you not be interested on the grounds that it would not make money (assuming you would clear your time and expenses)? why would bluebook put out a third edition if it does not make money?
no ones saying you would have to use the same format. possibly there is a format that would be more profitable.
you could always take the online subscription route. surely it could be made profitable if done well online.

You make a giant assumption with the expenses, but I think to do it right someone would have to put a large amount of out of pocket money into it and the time required would be substantial, making a real job hard and forcing the person doing it to realize a profit or become homeless.

Jim

 

[pharaoh68]

thanks for the compliment!
who is sherwin?

sherwin cheng posts on AZ under the moniker 'schengdds'. He has a nice collection of titlists and he is an all around good guy. here is an example of some of his pictures. they are different than yours in that the background is always straight white but he knows what angles to take and gets amazing quality, just like you.

http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=21580

by the way, love your site and absolutely LOVE the burl, ebony, and ivory James White of yours.

Take care.

 

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You make a giant assumption with the expenses, but I think to do it right someone would have to put a large amount of out of pocket money into it and the time required would be substantial, making a real job hard and forcing the person doing it to realize a profit or become homeless.

Jim

i don't necessarily agree. once the information is compiled then it's just a matter of updating. taking pics of new cues would probably be the most time consuming part.

 

[Cornerman]

why? it's a logical question given the recent past history. maybe you know something about the contractual arrangements?

I know nothing about the contractual arrangements.

My personal feeling on this thread is that it will turn into a witch hunt by what would seem to be Monday Morning Quarterbacks. And the effort of those that tried to put this book together will get buried.

Real suggestions as JVB has mentioned a few times should be directed to those that may do a next book.

i would think an writer with an abundance of cue knowledge like yourself might even be interested in doing the book. would you not like to see the product improved upon?

I hate negative questions. Of course I want to see it improve. My comments should prove that. Of course I'm interested in participating in a next book. Brad knows how to reach me at his leisure. The last thing we need is some the wheels put in motion that would disuade anyone who might be inclined to persue a next book by being a Monday Morning know-it-all jackass.

And no, that isn't directed at anyone in particular, but the thread itself just by how it is brought up could easily go that direction. Personally, I think that sucks.

Fred

 

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I hate negative questions.
Fred

for someone that doesnt like negative questions you sure do take a cotton to negative answers!

 

[cueman]

you say it's good for cue makers. why wouldnt it be better for cue makers if it came out more than every 3 or 4 years?
if brad makes a good living without the book and doesnt really want to do it, why do you want him to?
if the book only comes out every 3 to 4 years why include cue values that will not be current?

A book has to be profitable. The hours to do a new edition may not get the dollars you need in return if printed too often. A forth edition comes out and the dealers are stuck with third editions unless you wait long enough for them to sell. The prices on many cues are high, kinda like they were trying to split the middle of how long the book would be out. There is no perfect system or perfect book, but it is good, so we take what benefit we get. And the person doing it gets the monetary benefit they were after hopefully. Maybe you should approach Brad about computerizing all the info and taking pictures at the various shows and tournaments starting now in order to prepare for it. Maybe you could work a deal with him like Martyne did, but totally follow through.

 

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Maybe you should approach Brad about computerizing all the info and taking pictures at the various shows and tournaments starting now in order to prepare for it. Maybe you could work a deal with him like Martyne did, but totally follow through.

i appreciate the thought but i don't have the knowledge necessary to lead the book.
it would be fun to help with the pics though!
they are going to have to have someone new because the former photographer, hugh tiernan, was martyne's sidekick.

 

[Cornerman]

for someone that doesnt like negative questions you sure do take a cotton to negative answers!

Jeff, I know other people have picked on you. I now realize why. A "negative question" is one that has a negative in it. For example:

You don't like chocolate?

You can't drive a stick shift?

You asked me a question in the negative. That means you already has a preconceived negative to the question.

Fred <~~~ hates questions in the negative.

 

[Matt_24]

That means you already *has* a preconceived negative to the question.

Fred <~~~ hates questions in the negative.[/QUOTE]

Don't preach about grammar and then close your post with this sentence. Yikes....

 

[Cornerman]

That means you already *has* a preconceived negative to the question.

Fred <~~~ hates questions in the negative.

Don't preach about grammar and then close your post with this sentence. Yikes....

I didn't preach about grammar.

Fred <~~~ huh?

 

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Jeff, I know other people have picked on you. I now realize why. A "negative question" is one that has a negative in it. For example:

You don't like chocolate?

You can't drive a stick shift?

You asked me a question in the negative. That means you already has a preconceived negative to the question.

Fred <~~~ hates questions in the negative.

gee fred? i don't know how to reply! i get the feeling you don't like me.
fred, i know other people have picked on you and i can easily see why!

 

[Cornerman]

gee fred? i don't know how to reply! i get the feeling you don't like me.

I neither like you nor dislike you. I answered to your post, an answer that was called for. And you posted a nonsense reply as you normally do. I hope you got something out of it. I didn't.

fred, i know other people have picked on you and i can easily see why!

Well. Good luck.

Fred

 

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I neither like you nor dislike you. I answered to your post, an answer that was called for. And you posted a nonsense reply as you normally do. I hope you got something out of it. I didn't.

Well. Good luck.

Fred

fred, i have to say this still gives me the feeling that you don't like me
as far as wether or not i got something out of your post - just the usual, fred agnir, cue author, chip on his shoulder, smug attitude stuff. nothing i would really consider useful.

good luck to you as well!

 

[thepavlos]

cue guide

I thought about this last night:
How about a cue "field" guide which would have "accurate" information on all cuemakers past and present, estimated production, basic guidelines for identifying, and recommended authorities for authenticating a certain cue. This could be done on a website and could be edited by a committee of people that could verify or dispute any information presented. Remember this would not necessarily be a price guide but a resource for identifying and authenticating cues.
Just an idea
Paul

 

[Cornerman]

just the usual, fred agnir, cue author, chip on his shoulder, smug attitude stuff. nothing i would reallly consider useful.

Childish.














































FA

 

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I thought about this last night:
How about a cue "field" guide which would have "accurate" information on all cuemakers past and present, estimated production, basic guidelines for identifying, and recommended authorities for authenticating a certain cue. This could be done on a website and could be edited by a committee of people that could verify or dispute any information presented. Remember this would not necessarily be a price guide but a resource for identifying and authenticating cues.
Just an idea
Paul

it also could be done for very little money. mainly the time invested by "the committee"