Break Stats -- 2024 Mosconi Cup, Nov./Dec. 2024

AtLarge

AzB Gold Member
Gold Member
Silver Member
Here are some break results for the 2024 Mosconi Cup played November 30 - December 3, 2024 at the Caribe Royale Orlando in Orlando, Florida. This event was 9-Ball racing to 11 match wins, with each match being a race to 5 games. The format was three team matches (everyone plays one game, then repeat until one side wins 5 games), up to 6 doubles matches (6 were played), and up to 12 singles matches (8 were played). Team Europe won the Cup 11-6, with the match scores on the 4 days as follows (Team Europe's score first):

Day 1 -- 3 - 2
Day 2 -- 3 - 2 (2-day total 6 - 4)
Day 3 -- 3 - 1 (3-day total 9 - 5)
Day 4 -- 2 - 1
Total -- 11 - 6

Players for Team USA -- Shane Van Boening, Skyler Woodward, Tyler Styer, Billy Thorpe, and Fedor Gorst
Players for Team Europe -- Jayson Shaw, David Alcaide, Eklent Kaçi, Francisco Sanchez-Ruiz, and Mickey Krause
Team Captains -- Skyler Woodward for Team USA and Jayson Shaw for Team Europe
Commentators (2 per match) -- Phil Yates, Jeremy Jones, Michael McMullan, Karl Boyes, and Scott Frost
Referees -- Marcel Eckardt and Ben Taylor-Fuente
Annoouncer/Interviewer -- Abigail Davies
Interviews -- Ashleigh Wilmot
Master of Ceremonies -- Tahir Hajat

The conditions for this event included the following:
• Rasson Wolf 9-foot table with 4" corner pockets;​
• Simonis 860 Shark Grey cloth;​
• Aramith Tournament Black balls with a black-spots cue ball;​
• Magic Ball Rack racking template;​
• referee racks with the 9-ball on the foot spot and the 2-ball on one of the wings or in the back location;​
• alternate breaks from behind the head string in a box approximately 8" to each side of the long string;​
• no illegal break rule, but the referee is to enforce a forceful-break rule;​
• 30-sec. shot clock (60 sec. after the break or a push out), with one 30-sec. extension per side per game;​
• foul on all balls;​
• 3-foul rule in effect;​
• jump cues allowed;​
• all slop counts; and​
• lag for the break in each match.​

The 17 matches were as follows, in the order they were played. Match winners are bolded; total Cup scores are after each match in brackets.

Sat.. Nov. 30, 2024
1. Teams -- USA ... 1-5 ... Europe [0-1]​
2. Doubles -- Woodward/Thorpe ... 2-5 ... Shaw/Alcaide [0-2]​
3. Singles -- Styer ... 5-3 ... Krause [1-2]​
4. Doubles -- Van Boening/Gorst ... 2-5 ... Kaçi/Sanchez-Ruiz [1-3]​
5. Singles -- Woodward ... 5-2 ... Kaçi [2-3]​

Sun. Dec. 1
6. Teams -- USA ... 5-2 ... Europe [3-3]​
7. Singles -- Gorst ... 2-5 ... Shaw [3-4]​
8. Doubles -- Styler/Thorpe ... 5-4 ... Shaw/Krause [4-4]​
9. Singles -- Van Boening ... 1-5 ... Sanchez-Ruiz [4-5]​
10. Doubles -- Woodward/Gorst ... 4-5 ... Alcaide/Kaçi [4-6]​

Mon. Dec. 2
11. Teams -- USA ... 5-3 ... Europe [5-6]​
12. Doubles -- Van Boening/Woodward ... 1-5 ... Sanchez-Ruiz/Krause [5-7]​
13. Singles -- Thorpe ... 3-5 ... Alcaide [5-8]​
14. Doubles -- Gorst/Styer ... 3-5 ... Shaw/Kaçi [5-9]​

Tues. Dec. 3
15. Singles -- Woodward ... 0-5 ... Shaw [5-10]​
16. Singles -- Gorst ... 5-4 ... Krause [6-10]​
17. Singles -- Woodward ... 4-5 ... Sanchez-Ruiz [6-11]​

Overall results

Successful breaks (made at least one ball and did not foul):
Team USA -- 84% (52 of 62)​
Team Europe -- 91% (58 of 64)​
Total -- 87% (110 of 126)
Breaker won the game:
Team USA -- 53% (33 of 62)​
Team Europe -- 69% (44 of 64)​
Total -- 61% (77 of 126)
Break-and-run games on all breaks:
Team USA -- 21% (13 of 62)​
Team Europe -- 28% (18 of 64)​
Total -- 25% (31 of 126)
Break-and-run games on successful breaks (made at least one ball and did not foul):
Team USA -- 25% (13 of 52)​
Team Europe -- 31% (18 of 58)​
Total -- 28% (31 of 110)

Here's a further breakdown of the 126 games played in the Cup.

Team USA broke 62 times, with the following results:​
Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 31 (50%)​
Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 21 (34%)​
Broke dry or fouled but won the game -- 2 (3%)​
Broke dry or fouled and lost the game -- 8 (13%)​
Team Europe broke 64 times, with the following results:​
Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 42 (66%)​
Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 16 (25%)​
Broke dry or fouled but won the game -- 2 (3%)​
Broke dry or fouled and lost the game -- 4 (6%)​
Totals for both teams on all 126 breaks:
Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 73 (58%)​
Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 37 (29%)​
Broke dry or fouled but won the game -- 4 (3%)​
Broke dry or fouled and lost the game -- 12 (10%)​
Therefore, whereas Team USA won 53% (33 of 62) of the games on their own break,​
They won 60% (31 of 52) of the games in which their break was successful.​
They won 20% (2 of 10) of the games in which their break was unsuccessful (fouled or dry).​
And whereas Team Europe won 69% (44 of 64) of the games on their own break,​
They won 72% (42 of 58) of the games in which the break was successful.​
They won 33% (2 of 6) of the games in which their break was unsuccessful (fouled or dry).​

Balls Pocketed:
Team USA -- 76 on the break, 393 not on the break, 469 in total (includes 5 balls made on breaking fouls and 1 ball made on another foul)​
Team Europe -- 76 on the break, 541 not on the break, 617 in total (includes 4 balls made on breaking fouls and 3 balls made on other fouls)​

Average number of balls made on the break:
Team USA -- 1.2 on all breaks, 1.4 on successful breaks​
Team Europe -- 1.2 on all breaks, 1.2 on successful breaks​
Total -- 1.2 on all breaks, 1.3 on successful breaks​

Alternate-break packages (break-and-run games on a player's or team's own successive breaks)
Team USA's 13 B&R games consisted of three 2-packs (one by Gorst against Krause, one by Woodward against Sanchez-Ruiz, and one by Styer and Van Boening in the second Teams match) and 7 singles.​
Team Europe's 18 B&R games consisted of three 2-packs (one by Alcaide against Thorpe. one by Sanchez-Ruiz/Kaçi against Van Boening/Gorst, and one by Ruiz/Krause against Van Boening/Woodward) and 12 singles.​

9-Balls on the break -- The 31 break-and-run games included two 9-balls on the break (1.6% of all breaks) -- one by Thorpe (with Styer against Shaw/Krause) and one by Kaçi (with Shaw against Gorst/Styer).
 
Miscellany from the data for the 2024 Mosconi Cup

■ The most balls made on a single break was 3, done twice -- once by Gorst in a game he lost and once by Kaçi when he also made the 9-ball.

■ 44% (55 of 126) of the games ended in one inning -- 25% (31) won by the breaking side (B&R) and 19% (24) won by the non-breaking side.

■ The average match score was 5-2.4, with one match ending at 5-0, three matches at 5-1, five at 5-2, four at 5-3, and four at 5-4.

■ Elapsed time per match, in minutes:
• 53 average for all 17 matches;​
• 72 for the longest match -- Styer d. Krause 5-3 on Day 1;​
• 28 for the shortest match -- Shaw d. Woodward 5-0 on Day 4.​
The elapsed time was measured from the lag until the winning ball was made, so it includes time for racking and commercial breaks. Commercial breaks were significant in these matches, generally occurring after every 3 games in a match, and lasting about 3 minutes each.​

■ Minutes per game:
• 7.2 average for all 17 matches. Estimated at 6.7 not counting commercial breaks (but counting a minute for the racking that occurred during the breaks);​
• 9.0 for the match highest in average minutes per game -- Styer d. Krause 5-3 on Day 1;​
• 5.5 for the match lowest in average minutes per game -- Shaw d. Woodward 5-0 on Day 4.​

■ Breaking fouls averaged 1 for every 15.8 games, other fouls 1 for every 5.7 games, and missed shots about 1 for every 1.8 games.

■ One or more safeties were played in about 56% of all games and in 74% of games that were not B&Rs.
 
Here are some 2024 Mosconi Cup break stats for each player. [Caveat: small numbers.]

Successful breaks (made at least one ball and did not foul):

Van Boening -- 6 of 9 (67%)​
Woodward -- 12 of 16 (75%)​
Styer -- 11 of 11 (100%)​
Thorpe -- 8 of 9 (89%)​
Gorst -- 15 of 17 (88%)​
Team USA Total -- 52 of 62 (84%)​
Shaw -- 14 of 16 (88%)​
Alcaide -- 9 of 9 (100%)​
Kaçi -- 10 of 11 (91%)​
Sanchez-Ruiz -- 13 of 14 (93% )​
Krause -- 12 of 14 (86%)​
Team Europe Total -- 58 of 64 (91%)​
USA + Europe Total -- 110 of 126 (87%)​

Breaker's side won the game:

Van Boening -- 5 of 9 (56%)​
Woodward -- 9 of 16 (56%)​
Styer -- 8 of 11 (73%)​
Thorpe -- 4 of 9 (44%)​
Gorst -- 7 of 17 (41%)​
Team USA Total -- 33 of 62 (53%)​
Shaw -- 13 of 16 (81%)​
Alcaide -- 7 of 9 (78%)​
Kaçi -- 8 of 11 (73%)​
Sanchez-Ruiz -- 10 of 14 (71% )​
Krause -- 6 of 14 (43%)​
Team Europe Total -- 44 of 64 (69%)​
USA + Europe Total -- 77 of 126 (61%)​

Break-and-run games, on all breaks:

Van Boening -- 2 of 9 (22%)​
Woodward -- 4 of 16 (25%)​
Styer -- 2 of 11 (18%)​
Thorpe -- 1 of 9 (11%)​
Gorst -- 4 of 17 (24%)​
Team USA Total -- 13 of 62 (21%)​
Shaw -- 3 of 16 (19%)​
Alcaide -- 4 of 9 (44%)​
Kaçi -- 5 of 11 (45%)​
Sanchez-Ruiz -- 5 of 14 (36% )​
Krause -- 1 of 14 (7%)​
Team Europe Total -- 18 of 64 (28%)​
USA + Europe Total -- 31 of 126 (25%)​

Break-and-run games, on successful breaks:

Van Boening -- 2 of 6 (33%)​
Woodward -- 4 of 12 (33%)​
Styer -- 2 of 11 (18%)​
Thorpe -- 1 of 8 (13%)​
Gorst -- 4 of 15 (27%)​
Team USA Total -- 13 of 52 (25%)​
Shaw -- 3 of 14 (21%)​
Alcaide -- 4 of 9 (44%)​
Kaçi -- 5 of 10 (50%)​
Sanchez-Ruiz -- 5 of 13 (38% )​
Krause -- 1 of 12 (8%)​
Team Europe Total -- 18 of 58 (31%)​
USA + Europe Total -- 31 of 110 (28%)​

[Note: A B&R in a doubles game is credited here to the breaker.
 
Regarding Lags:

2024 -- Cup won by Team Europe 11-6
• USA won 9 lags, Europe won 8.​
• The team that won the lag won the first game 11 times (5 by USA, 6 by Europe).​
• The team that won the lag won the match 10 times (4 by USA, 6 by Europe).​
• In the 4 hill/hill matches, USA won the lag 3 times and won the match twice (neither by B&R in the last game). Europe won the lag once and won the match by B&R in the last game.​
- The team that won the first game (7 by USA, 10 by Europe) won the match 10 times (3 by USA, 7 by Europe).​

For the last 12 Mosconi Cups in total, 49 matches have gone to a hill/hill game, and the breaking side (winner of the lag) won 32 (65%) of those games, 16 by B&R.

Here's a post from last year showing this information on lags for each of the prior 11 Cups: https://forums.azbilliards.com/thre...osconi-cup-december-2023.559698/#post-7693832
 
Regarding Balls Made on the Break:

Team USA averaged 1.2 balls per break on all breaks (76 balls on 62 breaks) and 1.4 balls per break on successful breaks (71 balls on 52 breaks).

Team Europe averaged 1.2 balls per break on all breaks (76 balls on 64 breaks) and 1.2 balls per break on successful breaks (72 balls on 58 breaks).

Distribution of balls made on the 126 breaks:
• 1s here means the 1-ball in the side pocket on the opposite side of the table from the breaker;
• w means the wing ball on the same side of the table as the breaker, in the nearest corner pocket

- made 1s, but no other balls -- occurred 78 times (78 balls pocketed, including 5 on fouls)​
- made 1s plus 1 or 2 other balls, but not w -- 17 times (35 balls, including 2 on a foul)​
- made w, but no other balls -- 0 times​
- made w and other ball or balls, but not 1s -- 0 times​
- made both 1s and w, but no others -- 14 times (28 balls, including 2 on a foul)​
- both 1s and w and other ball or balls -- 1 time (3 balls)​
- made neither 1s nor w, but 1-2 other balls -- 7 times (8 balls)​
- dry, but no foul -- 8 times​
- dry and fouled -- 1 time​
Total -- 126 breaks, 152 balls pocketed (including 9 on fouls)​

The 1-ball was pocketed in the side pocket on the opposite side of the table from the breaker on all but 16 of the 126 breaks:
- on 87% of all breaks (110 of 126)​
- on 94% of successful breaks (103 of 110)​
- on 88% (7 of 8) of fouled break​
 
Successful breaks (made at least one ball and did not foul):

Van Boening -- 6 of 9 (67%)
Woodward -- 12 of 16 (75%)
Styer -- 11 of 11 (100%)
Thorpe -- 8 of 9 (89%)
Gorst -- 15 of 17 (88%)
Team USA Total -- 52 of 62 (84%)

Shaw -- 14 of 16 (88%)
Alcaide -- 9 of 9 (100%)
Kaçi -- 10 of 11 (91%)
Sanchez-Ruiz -- 13 of 14 (93% )
Krause -- 12 of 14 (86%)
Team Europe Total -- 58 of 64 (91%)
It looks like SVB needs to work on his break. 😯

Thanks for the stats. Amazing.
 
Regarding Balls Made on the Break:

Team USA averaged 1.2 balls per break on all breaks (76 balls on 62 breaks) and 1.4 balls per break on successful breaks (71 balls on 52 breaks).

Team Europe averaged 1.2 balls per break on all breaks (76 balls on 64 breaks) and 1.2 balls per break on successful breaks (72 balls on 58 breaks).

Distribution of balls made on the 126 breaks:
• 1s here means the 1-ball in the side pocket on the opposite side of the table from the breaker;
• w means the wing ball on the same side of the table as the breaker, in the nearest corner pocket

- made 1s, but no other balls -- occurred 78 times (78 balls pocketed, including 5 on fouls)​
- made 1s plus 1 or 2 other balls, but not w -- 17 times (35 balls, including 2 on a foul)​
- made w, but no other balls -- 0 times​
- made w and other ball or balls, but not 1s -- 0 times​
- made both 1s and w, but no others -- 14 times (28 balls, including 2 on a foul)​
- both 1s and w and other ball or balls -- 1 time (3 balls)​
- made neither 1s nor w, but 1-2 other balls -- 7 times (8 balls)​
- dry, but no foul -- 8 times​
- dry and fouled -- 1 time​
Total -- 126 breaks, 152 balls pocketed (including 9 on fouls)​

The 1-ball was pocketed in the side pocket on the opposite side of the table from the breaker on all but 16 of the 126 breaks:
- on 87% of all breaks (110 of 126)​
- on 94% of successful breaks (103 of 110)​
- on 88% (7 of 8) of fouled break​
Great stats as always. The overall feel was that the USA didn’t get a clean look at the lowest numbered ball after a successful break about half the time. It felt like Europe had a clean look at the lowest numbered ball a significantly higher percentage. Any stats on that by chance?

I’m not suggesting any ref favoritism. The balls randomly got kicked all over the place, and the resultant groan meter was in full play.
 
Great stats as always. The overall feel was that the USA didn’t get a clean look at the lowest numbered ball after a successful break about half the time. It felt like Europe had a clean look at the lowest numbered ball a significantly higher percentage. Any stats on that by chance?

I’m not suggesting any ref favoritism. The balls randomly got kicked all over the place, and the resultant groan meter was in full play.

That’s a good question. Compare rack pattern to resulting ball position.

I felt that Europe was more productive with their first look after the break. Whether it was to roll out or run out their decision was more productive than what the US was doing.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Great stats as always. The overall feel was that the USA didn’t get a clean look at the lowest numbered ball after a successful break about half the time. It felt like Europe had a clean look at the lowest numbered ball a significantly higher percentage. Any stats on that by chance?

I’m not suggesting any ref favoritism. The balls randomly got kicked all over the place, and the resultant groan meter was in full play.
Yes, I have been planning to go back over my notes and count the number of breaks (both wet and dry) for each team that were followed by offensive shots, safes, and pushes; just haven't done it yet.
 
Last edited:
Yes, I have been planning to go back over my notes and count the number of breaks (both wet and dry) for each team that were followed by offensive shots, safes, and pushes; just haven't done it yet.
Should track where the cue ball came to rest after the break shot. Below the break head spot, above the kitchen line or in the middle of those two areas.
 
Regarding The Shot/Decision after the Break

Here are the counts on offensive vs. defensive plays following the break.

Team Europe broke 64 times -- 58 successful (including one 9-ball), 3 fouled, and 3 dry (with no foul).
Team USA broke 62 times -- 52 successful (including one 9-ball), 5 fouled, and 5 dry.

So if we eliminate the 2 9-balls on the break (no next shot) and the 8 fouled breaks (BIH for next shot, offensive every time), we have 62 breaks for EUR (their 57 successful plus USA's 5 dry) and 54 for USA (their 51 successful plus EUR's 3 dry) for which they had to decide between offense and defense following the break. Here's the distribution of those 62 and 54 decisions:

Team Europe:
Attempted to pocket a ball -- 33 (53%); [3 misses -- 1 each by Kaçi, Sanchez-Ruiz, and Krause]​
Played safe -- 19 (31%)​
Pushed out -- 10 (16%)​
Total -- 62​

Team USA:
Attempted to pocket a ball -- 33 (61%); [8 misses -- 3 by Thorpe, 2 by SVB, 1 each by Styer, Woodward, and Gorst]​
Played safe -- 15 (28%)​
Pushed out -- 6 (11%)​
Total -- 54​

So USA shot to make a ball the same number of times as EUR but at a higher frequency (61% to 53%) while EUR was seemingly a bit more circumspect (47% safe or push to 39%). And EUR's pocketing percentage when they went offensive was quite a bit higher than USA's (91% to 76%).
 
Last edited:
...

Team Europe:
Attempted to pocket a ball -- 33 (53%); [3 misses -- 1 each by Kaçi, Sanchez-Ruiz, and Krause]​

.... And EUR's pocketing percentage when they went offensive was quite a bit higher than USA's (94% to 76%).​
Unless I slipped a decimal somewhere, I think that's 91% for the visitors. Still, that's a pretty bad pocketing percentage for the US. I hope there were two-way considerations.
 
Unless I slipped a decimal somewhere, I think that's 91% for the visitors. Still, that's a pretty bad pocketing percentage for the US. I hope there were two-way considerations.
Right you are, Bob, thanks. I used 31 in the numerator instead of 30.:eek: I edited it. As for two-ways, I didn't mark any of those 8 misses by USA as two-way shots, although that doesn't mean the player didn't have that in mind.
 
Last edited:
Regarding The Shot/Decision after the Break

Here are the counts on offensive vs. defensive plays following the break.

Team Europe broke 64 times -- 58 successful (including one 9-ball), 3 fouled, and 3 dry (with no foul).
Team USA broke 62 times -- 52 successful (including one 9-ball), 5 fouled, and 5 dry.

So if we eliminate the 2 9-balls on the break (no next shot) and the 8 fouled breaks (BIH for next shot, offensive every time), we have 62 breaks for EUR (their 57 successful plus USA's 5 dry) and 54 for USA (their 51 successful plus EUR's 3 dry) for which they had to decide between offense and defense following the break. Here's the distribution of those 62 and 54 decisions:

Team Europe:
Attempted to pocket a ball -- 33 (53%); [3 misses -- 1 each by Kaçi, Sanchez-Ruiz, and Krause]​
Played safe -- 19 (31%)​
Pushed out -- 10 (16%)​
Total -- 62​

Team USA:
Attempted to pocket a ball -- 33 (61%); [8 misses -- 3 by Thorpe, 2 by SVB, 1 each by Styer, Woodward, and Gorst]​
Played safe -- 15 (28%)​
Pushed out -- 6 (11%)​
Total -- 54​

So USA shot to make a ball the same number of times as EUR but at a higher frequency (61% to 53%) while EUR was seemingly a bit more circumspect (47% safe or push to 39%). And EUR's pocketing percentage when they went offensive was quite a bit higher than USA's (91% to 76%).
This tells a huge story. Great stats! Wow!
 
Back
Top