Breaking cue down?

Wow ... I learned something in this thread.. I always thought the premature breaking down of one's cue was a sharking move. I'm not a tournament player but play against many at a private club. I can hardly wait to not take the final shot and say, "thanks for conceding."

Don't say 'thanks,' but just stand up from your final stance before shooting and put your hand out and say 'good game/match' without blinking then walk away while unscrewing your cue, too.

Jeff Livingston
 
If I am going to put my break cue away early I will wait until my opponent is racking. I like it when my opponent is standing holding is cue like he is going to be right back at the table then after making 4 or 5 balls he decides to lean it against the wall and go sit down.
 
What do you guys do in a bar or pool hall tournament when your opponent breaks his player down before you shoot the winning ball in?

I pay no attention and shoot the ball in. If my focus is so bad that I even notice that or pay attention to it then I deserve to miss. Playing pool for money you learn to ignore that crap. I fail to understand how this can be such a big deal to any experienced player. I'm really surprised in made it into any rule set.
 
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Just shoot the balls in unless the rule is posted on the wall of the bar or it is discussed before the tournament.

I would never take a cheap win that way.

Flip, lag it wouldn't matter to me either. I kind of like the three rail lag though.:thumbup:



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Thanks guys!

Every thing all of you said makes sense. I spoke to the owners at the pool hall who are kind of new to the whole pool scene, they are a good young couple and their heart is in the right place.

We have several bar bangers and each bar has it's own rules, so being the old guy I went over some of the rules they want to go buy prior to the start of the tournament.

We will lag for the break and rack our own balls, if you have a loose rack it is on you.

No breaking down playing cue till match is over, if you want to switch playing shafts, wait till it is your turn and tell the other player what your intentions are.

I also covered fouls and frozen ball shots and push shots.

The guy that runs the 9 Ball bar tournament does a good job. It is a loud noisy place on Friday night and half the players are half drunk. We will be lenient with rules, but fair as we are there to have fun and so far no arguments.

The good thing is some old 8 Ball bar box players are being introduced to 9 Ball and new players are taking an interest. The pool hall is attracting new players to their 8 Ball tournament and that is a good smoke and alcohol free place for people of all ages.

Above all else, every one was reminded to have fun and respect each other and the game of pool. I like that!
 
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as an aside, what is the history of unscrewing your cue meaning you concede the match being included in official rules?
 
I pay no attention and shoot the ball in. If my focus is so bad that I even notice that or pay attention to it then I deserve to miss. Playing pool for money you learn to ignore that crap. I fail to understand how this can be such a big deal to any experienced player. I'm really surprised in made it into any rule set.


Right, because "rules of the game" are written exclusively for "experienced" players.

And nobody said it bothers them, but if the guy is in that much of a hurry to put his equipment away, why slow him down watching the run out. Game over.
 
just wait till someone acts like they are unscrewing their cue but are just moving their hands. and you mess up the balls.

that rule may be for your league but isnt for cash games in poolrooms or bars. so dont get mad when you think it carries over.
 
Sticky speaking and going by the rules taking apart a cue means the player concedes the game.

Personally I don't care if someone starts taking apart their cue, (which I assume you mean by "breaking cue down").
I still shoot the winning ball. I see it as a sign of respect if the opponent does that....lol He knows I'm going to make it, right?

As to the break. I could not care less if it's flipping a coin or lagging.
I've found it's a mistake to be unyielding in life in general.
As long as it's fair and both players play by the same rules I don't care.
Some people have waaaayyyyy too much testosterone for their own good and always take everything personally and as an insult.
Relax.
There are more important things in life than if you win a game in pool or not.
Well I would rather take the W without having to shoot it if we are promoting the time honored rules of the game.

Many don't abide in these rules and just do it to shark. I've had them break down on 4-ball outs. Just step away from the table and see what they do next. I bet 1 in 20 will shake on it and congratulate you. They are all just pissed and trying to shark. Otherwise they just say "You don't have to shoot that".

Pool players are a sorry bunch.
 
No breaking down playing cue till match is over, if you want to switch playing shafts, wait till it is your turn and tell the other player what your intentions are.

That´s the way...nothing else! Unscrew your cue...you loose
 
What do you guys do in a bar or pool hall tournament when your opponent breaks his player down before you shoot the winning ball in?

Also, what do you do if one guy wants to flip for the break and the other player wants to lag?

He loses, but be prepared for an argument. You lag unless the normal house rules are flip for the break.
 
I think most of us have seen this a one time or another. It's always funny though, that the guy unscrewing his cue, 100% of the time, knows nothing of this rule.

Never shoot the shot. Go shake his hand and say thanks. NIT
 
This rule was put in play because in the 60's on ( maybe earlier ) the 'un-screw' was a super strong 'move' in pool. Players would 'un-screw' at anytime in the final game,
usually right in front of you. This was for the cash! It can get in your head. I had a guy
un-screw when he missed the 6 ball. Then he sat right in front of the pocket I shot
the 6 ball in. I asked him 'do you forfeit? Of course he said no. Balls were laying easy.
Put my cue on the table, left for about 15 mins, came back, asked him to bet more
( the set was 5 ahead for $500 ), he said 'shoot', I rattled the 6, but it fell, and got out.
The power of the un-screw is like the dark side of the force....dont take it lightly.
 
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So sharking is not legal? Might be a little unsportsmanlike but losing is a pretty stiff penalty.


Wish I knew about rules when I played Jimmy Reid in 1985 when I was beating him then he started to act like an asshole with sharking moves.


Me the unknown beating the US Open champ or chump.

There are some things I do not forget....



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So sharking is not legal? Might be a little unsportsmanlike but losing is a pretty stiff penalty.


Wish I knew about rules when I played Jimmy Reid in 1985 when I was beating him then he started to act like an asshole with sharking moves.


Me the unknown beating the US Open champ or chump.

There are some things I do not forget....



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Most of the posts here are concerning tournaments . Gamblin is different.
You can ignore sharking if you're stealin, or if it doesn't bother your game.
But, usually , you have to address it. I've put my cue on the table saying
'when you're thru runnin your mouth, we can play again'. I've seen sharking
turn to ass-kicking by the player or a group of his friends or railbirds bettin on
the side. You DONT have to put up with it. Its your cash!
 
I think a lot of my response would depend on the circumstances. League or tournament I'd wait a bit, assume I won - then verify it. If it was a friend and I was playing ... I'd probably just say something like: You done for the night"?

Ched
 
What do you guys do in a bar or pool hall tournament when your opponent breaks his player down before you shoot the winning ball in?

Also, what do you do if one guy wants to flip for the break and the other player wants to lag?

I ask my opponent if he's giving it to me since he unscrewed. Lots of bar players don't know the concession rule. Not worth getting into a brawl over it.

If it's a bar tourney, you know what you're getting into.

Freddie
 
its not sharking. -what is it with this sharking thing anyway.- if someone misses and un screws their cue most times its because they are mad and expect now to lose the game. they arent conceding anything. just like if you get mad and bang the table or kick your chair. you shouldnt be conceding the game. if someone does this and it causes you to now miss that is your fault and need to correct it.

sharking is someone doing something purposely to upset you or make you miss during your shot at the table.

tournaments have different rules and should be written or posted to all to see as they enter, otherwise the rule should not be enforced.
 
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