Breaking into the cloth...

av84fun said:
Fred, with respect, the TH video is the best because it is in slo mo...but his cue is nearly/fairly level at CB impact and the tip is AT LEAST a foot and a half beyond the cb before it ever touches the cloth.

He EVENTUALLY leans on the cue because if he didn't, he'd fall forward on his face.

Johnny's cue appears to remain off the cloth for an even farther distance.

They're not driving the stroke downward (much) into the cloth at all.

The break stroke scratches I've ever seen appear just a few inches beyond the CB and extend 6-8 inches in length.

Regards,
Jim


I believe it's the follow-through that drives the tip into the cloth....not because he's preventing himself from falling on his face.... His break is similar to mine.....and it's not like I'm losing balance. That's why the leg naturally goes up on the break, to offer a counter force to keep the body balanced..... It's not the cue doing the balancing.
 
8-Baller said:
I believe it's the follow-through that drives the tip into the cloth....not because he's preventing himself from falling on his face.... His break is similar to mine.....and it's not like I'm losing balance. That's why the leg naturally goes up on the break, to offer a counter force to keep the body balanced..... It's not the cue doing the balancing.

Not arguing...just chatting...but the tip is not seen to be "driven into the cloth" in this video. The tip is out of the frame by the time it touches the cloth. And you must notice that at impact, the cue is nearly level and almost appears to be slanted slightly upward (probably isn't but CLOSE)

But it is absolutely not the trajectory of the stroke that causes the tip/cloth contact. The trajectory is very level. It is the UP move with his body and grip hand that EVENTUALLY gets the tip onto the cloth...right near the end of the cue's forward movement.

Then, yes, his right foot comes up as a result of the forward component of his up move. If he was rising STRAIGHT up then there would be no point in lifting the foot. It lifts because of the forward component of his body.

Now, just stand up where you are, flex both knees...orient your upper body forward and then LURCH up and forward onto the ball of your left foot while lifting your right foot off the ground.

Your tendency will be to tip forward...I was just exaggerating about falling on his face, of course and to BRACE against tipping forward he clearly uses the cue as a brace against doing so.

BTW, as suggested above, the BEND is MUCH less due to driving the cue into the cloth as it is that he PULLS UP big time with his right grip. THAT is primarily what causes the shaft to bend.

Check it out.

But really...just chatting here. Break any way you want...of course. Just like Fatty once said..."I can break with my TONGUE and stll rob you blind."

(-:

Jim
 
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I took some pics at the World Pool Masters in Vegas this month, and quite a few of the players finished with the cue extended, the tip on the cloth, and the cue bowed from the pressure. Bustamante & Ko Pin-yi, who both broke HUGE were the most pronounced of those I photographed, but Morris and Mika were also similar.

The most interesting thing about my sorting of these break pictures was that in many cases I had multiple pictures of the same player breaking and when viewed one after another, it is often hard to tell they are not the same photo because their finishes are soooo consistent (prob'ly a lesson there for the alert).

Anyway, here are a few......

Pin-yi

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Mika

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Morris

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and Bustamante

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Alex and SVB on the other hand, were rising...like this...

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I'm not sure what it all means, but what I do know from your description of your technique, you will be in some fast company.....:)

Joe
 
SUPER shots. Comments

Pin Yi Absolutely would fall forward of not propping himself with the cue. No evidence of scratching forward. And see how HIGH is right hand is? It is THAT lever that is bending the cue...not forcing it into the table...that and pushing down with the left hand to keep from falling forward.

Mike...Bridge hand totally off the cue. Clearly didn't drag to that point.

Morris...Not bent at all. No drag.

Busta...TOTALLY would fall forward if not bracing with cue.

Regards,
Jim
 
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