Brunswick Manchester LE
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I have worked on several in the past. If I'm not mistaken Brunswick still carries the Manchester. Not sure what the LE stands for or if we are even talking about the same table. If we are there should be some routing on the outside of the cabinet. I believe they changed designs over the years. Its a solid wood table but still holds the same structural value of any Brunswick furniture style table. Not the greatest design. Are you thinking of buying it? If so, how much?
Its a disc. model. The man said its been used very little. Its has the claw legs. I know pretty is as pretty does. He wants 1000. for it. It has 1' slate. Whats your opinion. I know you know about billirard stuff. Do you know of anything thats a really good deal out there. I live close to Lake Cumberland. I believe your in Cinc......Jerry
So it is the same model... I must have an older catalog. I think your best bet is to hold off. I had a really bad encounter with one of these tables. Most of us know that Brunswick has their tables made in China or Brazil but this one in particular was made in Guatemala? Don't know if it just happened to be the table I was working on or what but it was stamped underneath the cabinet. You just can't go around whoring out work like that and expect to get quality in return. I've got some pictures somewhere that you have to see. Legs are buckled, slate seams were popped, aprons falling off etc... Horrible! Granite most of the problem was the installer but this scared me from the Manchester...
Does your table have to be 8'?
Brunswick Superspeed that we leave on our floor to share with our potential customers...
Superspeed, Diamonds old rubber and Championship rubber all hard as a rock...
Name plate...
Leg begining to buckle because of their quality corner construction.
Notice the size of the leg bolt... Nothing has changed today, its still the same old, same old... The barrell nut is also working its way out...
Underside of cabinet and branded sticker "Made in Guatemala"
Legs buckling, aprons falling off, slate seams popped, pockets loose...
Superspeed, Diamonds old rubber and Championship rubber all hard as a rock...
Name plate...
Leg begining to buckle because of their quality corner construction.
Notice the size of the leg bolt... Nothing has changed today, its still the same old, same old... The barrell nut is also working its way out...
Underside of cabinet and branded sticker "Made in Guatemala"
Legs buckling, aprons falling off, slate seams popped, pockets loose...
Keep the Steepleton... They made some decent tables and still do for the most part. I'll trade up for you if you would like. How about a Diamond or an Olhausen?
I think whoever installed that table could make any table look bad. That table like many others uses a simple bracket system, that can be succesfully installed dozens of times with those aprons, whoever was just lazy and used the same holes as before or stipped them and they fell off. Same thing goes for the leg brackets,but for those a larger screw must be used,like an unframed slate screw and they become very solid. I do agree that the pocket bolt that they use to hold on the leg is a joke. The new tables use a legplate now so the hardware has changed some,same thing, everythings just a little longer.
Thanks for the update... I only see the tables that have been on the secondary market.
While I don't disagree that brunswick tables may have some things that could stand improvement, they are no where near as bad of tables as people on this and other forums make them out. Through my installation career, I could have easily taken pictures of a lot of table brands out there and used them to degrade there name. Those flaws in that manchester were more from abuse, crappy install, and possible moving the table as a whole unit as opposed to a bad design. They are not the best table out there anymore but you guys talk about them like they,re the same shit as LA Billiards, Legacy billairds, american heritage and so on. Lets face facts folks, Just because something comes out of china doesn't always mean it is poor quality. There are good and bad companies everywhere......
NineBallNut said:
Those legs should not buckle like that period... That is horrible cheap design. Why werent the older Brunswicks made like that? I was only adding my opinion... Check my post I said granite most of the fault is due to the installer.
Talk about them like they are LA Legacy, AH etc... What makes them different? American Heritage is built better in my opinion.
that is your opinion, you are certainly entitled! The leg situation is a poor design in that they use that crappy insert, but if the installer had secured that properly with some extra screws then that would not happen. The only way you can buckle a leg like that is to move the table with the slate on it. That is not supposed to happen. If any good installer put that table together to be played on and not picked up and moved then that slate, leg and aprons would not even be issues.
Also, I sell both legacy billiards and brunswick tables. There is no way in hell that putting them side by side that you could tell me that the brunswick is not a better table. Well you could but in my opinion you would be incorrect.
anyway, I have seen to many posts about how brunswick is not a good table. I think that is an unfair statement. There are a couple of brands that put together a better complete package.
But hey, everyone is going to have thier opinions, but for now, I'll keep my gold crown.
Also, I sell both legacy billiards and brunswick tables. There is no way in hell that putting them side by side that you could tell me that the brunswick is not a better table. Well you could but in my opinion you would be incorrect.
anyway, I have seen to many posts about how brunswick is not a good table. I think that is an unfair statement. There are a couple of brands that put together a better complete package.
But hey, everyone is going to have thier opinions, but for now, I'll keep my gold crown.
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I actually went and leveled a couple Brunswick Tahoe's last week with the same leg design. These tables were set up by Brunswick trained mechanics...
The legs would begin to buckle every time I lifted the cabinet on side. All hardware was used during installation...
If thats your GC in your avatar which I'm sure it is... You have a nice table. I just think Brunswick as a whole has gone completely down hill. They are manipulating the common consumer and they arent getting what they pay for. Like you said everyone will have their own opinion and thats mine. Legacy is complete junk... We ordered a container full and thank god we were able to cancel after seeing it at the bca show.
The legs would begin to buckle every time I lifted the cabinet on side. All hardware was used during installation...
If thats your GC in your avatar which I'm sure it is... You have a nice table. I just think Brunswick as a whole has gone completely down hill. They are manipulating the common consumer and they arent getting what they pay for. Like you said everyone will have their own opinion and thats mine. Legacy is complete junk... We ordered a container full and thank god we were able to cancel after seeing it at the bca show.
Poolschool said:
agreed, there leg design is sub par, and a tahoe has a cheap veneered leg anyway so it's hard to get a good bite. I usually drill extra holes in the leg bracket and support the crap out of them. And yes just like a lot of companies that have been around for a long time, they are skimping and living off the name. That I do not disagree with. Luckily for me, the olhausen dealer here is an idiot and doesn't know how to proplerly promote his product or we would all lose some sales!!! lol
I agree whole heartidly with you about legacy. It was the biggest mistake my boss has made. We have had nothing but problems with them. lol
That is not my GC, I have the same one but those were some I set up at my local hall.
The Brunswick table in your picture looks doctered.I can toe a leg in on most tables like that including Olhausen.The Olhausen dealer here has samples of Brunswick cushions to compare on there floor aswell.When you show products other then your own and bash and talk bad of other products except for your own it opens the door for the customer to want to compare those products to see if your telling the truth.Granted Olhausen builds a nice table.And being that I've been to Olhausen's sales training I understand why you put the items out for custmers to see.You should take the table and sale it put the cushions in the garbage and sale your product.If your confident about the products your saleing you don't need the props.
Looks doctored??? Yeah to say the least! The customer who owns this table came to me. I didn't go out looking for a reason to smash Brunswick. I have always had my beliefs and opinions this just strengthen those beliefs.
Why not use the props? These are real practicle problems that occur on other brands of tables. Your saying that companies can lie eg. (Made In USA) and munipulate people but I can't put out a practicle fault in another companies design to help build the value and "sell" my own?
Why not use the props? These are real practicle problems that occur on other brands of tables. Your saying that companies can lie eg. (Made In USA) and munipulate people but I can't put out a practicle fault in another companies design to help build the value and "sell" my own?
Brunswick doesn't hide the fact that their tables are made in China and Brazil.
Look at the box's the tables come in.They read clear. Made in China"
"Made in Brazil".
Legacy billiards was the largest supplier of pool table rails and legs for Brunswick,AMF,Olhausen,and many others.Butch was at Legacy a few months back.Legacy is in China.They build Lazy Boy and Thomasville furnature aswell.
Look at the box's the tables come in.They read clear. Made in China"
"Made in Brazil".
Legacy billiards was the largest supplier of pool table rails and legs for Brunswick,AMF,Olhausen,and many others.Butch was at Legacy a few months back.Legacy is in China.They build Lazy Boy and Thomasville furnature aswell.