building a jump break

[JUSTABANGER 2]

I'm just starting to put together the parts for my first J/B I've got a premade jointed blank for the butt on the way. I'm going with a flat laminate shaft turned down to 13.5 MM. A 1/2 inch Ivorine 3 ferull, a hard Samsara tip. and a 3/8 10 pin. I'm not sure what to use for a joint coller. Anyone?

 

[Trent]

phenolic would be good.

also you should turn each piece sepratly and put them together at the end.

or your cue will end up looking really jacked up when you unscrew the handle part fropmthe forearm.

 

[GBCues]

I'm just starting to put together the parts for my first J/B I've got a premade jointed blank for the butt on the way. I'm going with a flat laminate shaft turned down to 13.5 MM. A 1/2 inch Ivorine 3 ferull, a hard Samsara tip. and a 3/8 10 pin. I'm not sure what to use for a joint coller. Anyone?

I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but you say your ferrule is 1/2" (12.7mm) and your shaft is turned down to 13.5mm.

Hopefully your ferrule is a little oversized or you've got some more turning to do.

I would agree that a phenolic joint collar will do fine.

My 2 cents,

Gary

Edit: Ummm . . . .unless you mean it is 1/2" long

 

[rhncue]

I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but you say your ferrule is 1/2" (12.7mm) and your shaft is turned down to 13.5mm.

Hopefully your ferrule is a little oversized or you've got some more turning to do.

I would agree that a phenolic joint collar will do fine.

My 2 cents,

Gary

Edit: Ummm . . . .unless you mean it is 1/2" long

I started to answer about the length but then I noticed your edit where you noticed it yourself. It's funny how sometimes we vision something and our minds just overlook something that is so obvious.

Dick

 

[GBCues]

Dick, Yeah how right you are - makes you feel silly when you realize it. :embarrassed2:

However, do you (or anyone else) have any concerns about a 1/2" ferrule on a jump/break shaft? One would presumably want to cap that ferrule, and even if you only used a 1/8" cap instead of a 3/16" there wouldn't be a lot of ferrule there to protect that shaft.

Just wondering - and trying NOT to hijack.

Gary

 

[Arnot Wadsworth]

Dick, Yeah how right you are - makes you feel silly when you realize it. :embarrassed2:

However, do you (or anyone else) have any concerns about a 1/2" ferrule on a jump/break shaft? One would presumably want to cap that ferrule, and even if you only used a 1/8" cap instead of a 3/16" there wouldn't be a lot of ferrule there to protect that shaft.

Just wondering - and trying NOT to hijack.

Gary

I don't know of anyone who would presume to use a capped 1/2 inch long ferrule.

 

[JUSTABANGER 2]

Capped or not?

I meant the ferull will be 1/2 long I wasn't going to use a capped ferull. but maybe that should be my next question. Capped or not ? Thanks guys.

 

[Lexicologist71]

I have a pretty solid break and have only cracked one ferrule. It was Ivorine II or the old fiber. Only one of my ferrules has been capped, and it was the capped one. Granted, it's been a while since I've played with Chandivert Rocky tips. I don't actually use my break cue that often....Hmm, I hope this rambling is sorta useful. I'll shut up now and listen to more knowledgeable people give their opinion.

 

[JUSTABANGER 2]

I have a pretty solid break and have only cracked one ferrule. It was Ivorine II or the old fiber. Only one of my ferrules has been capped, and it was the capped one. Granted, it's been a while since I've played with Chandivert Rocky tips. I don't actually use my break cue that often....Hmm, I hope this rambling is sorta useful. I'll shut up now and listen to more knowledgeable people give their opinion.

No problem i'll take all the input i can get.

 

[radge69]

I'm guessing I saw the blanks your talking about. If they are the same ones, the J/B joint is 12" from the bottom of the cue. That's going to be a pretty long jump section.

 

[JUSTABANGER 2]

I'm guessing I saw the blanks your talking about. If they are the same ones, the J/B joint is 12" from the bottom of the cue. That's going to be a pretty long jump section.

Yeah I caught that after I started this thread so I'm thinking of starting a J/B from scratch.

 

[aphelps1]

I'd use another ferrule material other than ivorine 3, I think that is a bit soft for a J/B shaft.

My 2 cents,
Alan

 

[KJ Cues]

I don't know of anyone who would presume to use a capped 1/2 inch long ferrule.

Predator does and they don't presume to use them, they actually do use them.
All Predator ferrules are capped and the cap is quite thick. Depending on the ferrule model, up to 1/4" thick.

To Mr. Phelps,
Don't underestimate Ivorine3. It's more than adequate for the task.
Actually, even LBM is suitable for a J/B ferrule.
But if you want harder than Ivorine3, consider Ivorine4. Unbelievably hard and you'll need some very sharp carbide tooling to cut it.

Having said all that, IMHO, rolled & molded phenolic rod is about the best mtrl for this application and unless you're playing in a BCA league, you can make the tip & ferrule as one piece.

Jump handle length has been changing as of late. The trend is to a longer handle.
BCA equipment specs state that a cue must be at least 40" in length.
A 29" shaft & a 12" jump handle/forearm is 41". This configuration is legal.
However, greater accuracy and control are attained from an over-hand stroke as opposed to the dart style stroke and most players will prefer a slightly longer cue for this than the 40" minimum. A couple extra inches ain't going to hurt you.
Let the ribaldry commence.

 

[JUSTABANGER 2]

This is great I'm getting some really good info. Thats what I like about AZB. Everyone has a different idea about whats best and a guy can pick thru it and choose what he thinks will work best for him.

 

[aphelps1]

QUOTE/To Mr. Phelps,
Don't underestimate Ivorine3. It's more than adequate for the task.
Actually, even LBM is suitable for a J/B ferrule.
But if you want harder than Ivorine3, consider Ivorine4.Unbelievably hard and you'll need some very sharp carbide tooling to cut it.

Having said all that, IMHO, rolled & molded phenolic rod is about the best mtrl for this application and unless you're playing in a BCA league, you can make the tip & ferrule as one piece.QUOTE/

KJ,
I couldn't agree more. I have used IV 4 and phenolic for breaking cues, I like them both. Although the weight of IV 4 can be problemlatic, I like to keep the ferrule short with this material. If you start with sharp carbide with IV 4 chances are, you won't end up with it. Toughest material on tooling that I've got.I consider LBM a good all around ferrule material and use it often for the customer that will play and break with the same cue.

Again just my 2 cents,
Alan