bustamantes stroke

cuewhiz189

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hey all i was just curious is it me or does anyone else think that francisco has a not so pretty stroke....yes i admit he is a pool playing machine but wow that stroke just blows my mind.....alot of unnecessary movement from what i have seen in alot of other pros strokes.......i notice alot of the phillipinos have that same stroke....i call it a choo-choo stroke.....i dont understand how they are able to be such great players with this much movement in there strokes.....they are phenominal players.......is this just the phillipino style of playing.......please let me know what you think......juston coleman :cool:
 
i used to have the same stroke...i tried copying him for a year....then i noticed i wasn't improving lol.....so i changed again...playing much better now than ever
 
I think he has the sweetest stroke of any player, I like watching him play more than anyone else. Someone posted on here about how the tables in the phillipines had concrete slates? when these guys first started playing and they really had to work the cue ball to get it around the table and that's one reason they have funky strokes. This could be true/false, i have noticed that sometimes players in a certain region/pool hall will take on similar techniques. I don't think he uses it now but his slip stroke break was mind boggling to me, i have read where other phillipino players use the slip stroke break.
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Yeah I just saw one of his matches today on ESPN again and there is a lot of movement in his stroke but its fluid, he gets the cue ball where he needs it and and its nice to watch. I think I copied my closed bridge from watching him a while back to and sometimes I shoot with a "choo choo" stroke when I'm relaxed and not playing hard. I don't know if there is a "correct" stroke but I think if you stroke the ball with "repeatable precision" (can't remember where I heard that phrase, but I like using it) I guess it doesn't matter. Another thing he does that gets me is that it seems like he always cues the ball below center and one of the commentators mentioned before that he does that so that he can see the balls better which makes sense.
 
Its hard to argue that FB is anything but a fantastic player, but that "loop dee loop" stroke thing drives me nuts. I learned from snooker that the less that moves, the better.
 
Top Spin said:
Its hard to argue that FB is anything but a fantastic player, but that "loop dee loop" stroke thing drives me nuts. I learned from snooker that the less that moves, the better.

I think it's like Gary Sheffield, nobody is going to teach a kid a batting stance like his with all of his movement, but can he hit the ball. Cant argue with success.
 
Americans who try to copy the Filipino choo-choo stroke end up messing up their game because they are coming from a different set of fundamentals. Watch an American who moves his upper arm and watch a filipino and you will see they are two different movements. Most Americans when they shoot imagine their elbow and shoulder as stationary points, and the arm and hand moves back and forth. This is fine, but in some players (i.e. Rempe) it gives the appearance of a stiff stroke. When amateurs try to copy the Filipino stroke, they end up lifting their elbow on the backstroke, which is wrong. Watch Reyes or Busta, the elbow does not lift at the height of the backstroke, rather it dips at address then returns to normal position at the height of the backstroke, then remains stationary until the cueball is struck, then it drops on followthrough for the elbowdroppers.

The thinking behind the stroke is you imagine your arm and hand as one solid rod with no muscle. In order to get that rod moving and keep it loose, you basically swing it from the elbow. Its kind of hard to explain, but Sambajon explained it and showed it to me, and it is possible to shoot with such a stroke although I imagine it takes quite a bit of practice. It also seems to encourage a light grip on the cue, since you are never pulling it back and pushing it forward with your hand, you are simply swinging your forearm. An American player who has a slower but similar stroke is Troy Frank, he rests the cue on his hand and swings from the elbow.

However, if you watch all the good players, from the backstroke to contact with the ball, only the forearm is swinging. The difference in the strokes is mainly on the backswing.
 
henho said:
Americans who try to copy the Filipino choo-choo stroke end up messing up their game because they are coming from a different set of fundamentals. Watch an American who moves his upper arm and watch a filipino and you will see they are two different movements. Most Americans when they shoot imagine their elbow and shoulder as stationary points, and the arm and hand moves back and forth. This is fine, but in some players (i.e. Rempe) it gives the appearance of a stiff stroke. When amateurs try to copy the Filipino stroke, they end up lifting their elbow on the backstroke, which is wrong. Watch Reyes or Busta, the elbow does not lift at the height of the backstroke, rather it dips at address then returns to normal position at the height of the backstroke, then remains stationary until the cueball is struck, then it drops on followthrough for the elbowdroppers.

The thinking behind the stroke is you imagine your arm and hand as one solid rod with no muscle. In order to get that rod moving and keep it loose, you basically swing it from the elbow. Its kind of hard to explain, but Sambajon explained it and showed it to me, and it is possible to shoot with such a stroke although I imagine it takes quite a bit of practice. It also seems to encourage a light grip on the cue, since you are never pulling it back and pushing it forward with your hand, you are simply swinging your forearm. An American player who has a slower but similar stroke is Troy Frank, he rests the cue on his hand and swings from the elbow.

However, if you watch all the good players, from the backstroke to contact with the ball, only the forearm is swinging. The difference in the strokes is mainly on the backswing.


I call this the fish flopping out of water stroke, but you have to admit it works for him so that makes it right for him. I guess you can time or groove anything if you do it long enough.
 
I have a stroke that is something like fransico"s, I use alot of movement in my right arm but everything else is solid like a rock. I have watched him play many many times, and if you have too you will see his head is so solid you could put a glass of water on top and it would not fall off!!! I think a loose stroke keeps you loose and helps with the follow thru.
 
To make evreything clear, there are no two indentical sportsmen in any known sports, however the other one religeously copy the other one's style. You see, people have different nervous system and brain coordinations. So copying Busta's style doesn't mean you will be like him. If his style is not suitable to your body coordination, your game will be more likely to deteriorate. Just learn the tecniques and let your body dictate the rythm.
 
cuewhiz189 said:
hey all i was just curious is it me or does anyone else think that francisco has a not so pretty stroke....yes i admit he is a pool playing machine but wow that stroke just blows my mind.....alot of unnecessary movement from what i have seen in alot of other pros strokes.......i notice alot of the phillipinos have that same stroke....i call it a choo-choo stroke.....i dont understand how they are able to be such great players with this much movement in there strokes.....they are phenominal players.......is this just the phillipino style of playing.......please let me know what you think......juston coleman :cool:
Next time I see Francisco, I'll tell him to offer you the 6-out and the breaks. :D
 
cuewhiz189 said:
hey ,,,,..i dont understand,,,,.please let me know what you think..

never trust what teachers teach you.
teachers teach generic abc's because it is the only thing that has a broad based relevance all players. but indivisually, everyone is different, so you can't criticize the means to an end if the results are superior.

it doesn't matter what the players do, they all go through the CB cleanly. if you want to improve your stroke, just watch the cue from bridge to hit to follow through. forget everything else.
 
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