byes slots on a draw sheet
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Attached is the bye chart that I drew up years ago. Nothing set in stone, but the pattern is pretty much equivalent to what anyonen else will use. The numbering system might differ for one chart to the next, but the basic gist is that if you have a chart numbered 1 - 32 (or whatever) from the top to the bottom, the you'd put a bye in the appropriate slots depending on how many players you have. Obviously, you'd only use a 32 player chart if you have more than 16 players.kaznj said:
Again, this is just one example of a bye chart matrix. Others do it slightly different with the same basic results. Whatever you do, don't draw the byes in.
Fred
Byes
16 man bracket
1 bye at 16
2 byes at 16/8
3 byes at 16/8/12
4 byes at 16/8/12/4
5 byes at 16/8/12/4/14
6 byes at 16/8/12/4/14/6
7 byes at 16/8/12/4/14/6/10
32 bracket is x2
4 byes
1st bye 16x2=32
2nd bye 8x2=16 and so on 32/16
64 bracket is x4
1st bye 16x4=64
2nd bye 8x4=32 and so on 64/32
16 man bracket
1 bye at 16
2 byes at 16/8
3 byes at 16/8/12
4 byes at 16/8/12/4
5 byes at 16/8/12/4/14
6 byes at 16/8/12/4/14/6
7 byes at 16/8/12/4/14/6/10
32 bracket is x2
4 byes
1st bye 16x2=32
2nd bye 8x2=16 and so on 32/16
64 bracket is x4
1st bye 16x4=64
2nd bye 8x4=32 and so on 64/32
kaznj said:
Send me a pm (personal message) with your email. I will send you some charts and explain to you how to use them.
bca website bye chart...
Here is the bye chart from the playbca web site. They also have some tournament charts that you can download.
View attachment byechart.pdf
Tournament Directors
The following information is for you to use to help you run a smoother and better tournament
"BYE CHARTS"
How to use the Bye Charts Below.
"Under NO Circumstances should you do a random draw to place "BYE" Spots"
There is a method to the Madness to keep the boards as even and as fair as possible?
READ ON!!
"1st, we need to know how many people are to be in the tournament. If you see that you have more than 16 players, you will use a 32 board. If only 24 people show up to play, you need to know where to put the ""Bye's"" or (TBA's if you are waiting for more players). So, with a 32 Board and only 24 players, how many ""Bye's"" do you have? 32 - 24 = 8, you have 8 ""bye's"". Go to the 32 man board bye chard and count from the left tot he right 8 places. Write those numbers down, and go to your tournament board and start entering ""BYE"" i n players spots # 32 - 16 - 24 - 8 - 28 - 12 - 20 & 4. (in that order).
Now, if you were using a deck of cards or pieces of paper with numbers on them to draw players into spots on the board, you would remove the cards or pieces of paper with the numbers for the ""BYE"" (32 - 16 - 24 - 8 - 28 - 12 - 20 & 4).
Ther are a number of ways to place players on the tournament board, we will examine only 2 of those ways."
1) Write every players name on a piece of paper(very time consuming), and put them into a hat, once done with this you will have someone pull a name out one at a time. The first name will be placed at the top of the chart in the first blank spot. The second name will be place in the next blank spot going down the chart. Do this for everyone until all names have been drawn. This gives you a very fair draw done at random.
2) In the beginnning you should have written down everyone's name as they came in and marked them paid for the event. Having a complete list of names in front of you will make things very easy. Now, using the deck of cards or the pieces of paper with numbers on them, you will draw numbers at random again(remember to remove the bye numbers as explained above) and plance a number by the first name on your list and continue to do so until all names have a number by them.
* When all names have a number assigned to them, you will now find that number on the tournament chart and put that players name in that spot.
How to handle a late players "Bye-in"
This task is very simple, you will place the incoming players on the chart according to the reverse order of the "bye list", for example: above we used the bye's of 32 - 16 - 24 - 8 - 28 - 12 - 20 & 4 in that order. You will now "BYE BACK" in reverse order, 4 - 20 - 12 - 28 - 8 - 24 - 16 & 32, the first player going in to spot #4 and the second player going into spot #20 and so-on until no more players come in or the tournament has played past those spots and they are no longer available.
Here is the bye chart from the playbca web site. They also have some tournament charts that you can download.
View attachment byechart.pdf
Tournament Directors
The following information is for you to use to help you run a smoother and better tournament
"BYE CHARTS"
How to use the Bye Charts Below.
"Under NO Circumstances should you do a random draw to place "BYE" Spots"
There is a method to the Madness to keep the boards as even and as fair as possible?
READ ON!!
"1st, we need to know how many people are to be in the tournament. If you see that you have more than 16 players, you will use a 32 board. If only 24 people show up to play, you need to know where to put the ""Bye's"" or (TBA's if you are waiting for more players). So, with a 32 Board and only 24 players, how many ""Bye's"" do you have? 32 - 24 = 8, you have 8 ""bye's"". Go to the 32 man board bye chard and count from the left tot he right 8 places. Write those numbers down, and go to your tournament board and start entering ""BYE"" i n players spots # 32 - 16 - 24 - 8 - 28 - 12 - 20 & 4. (in that order).
Now, if you were using a deck of cards or pieces of paper with numbers on them to draw players into spots on the board, you would remove the cards or pieces of paper with the numbers for the ""BYE"" (32 - 16 - 24 - 8 - 28 - 12 - 20 & 4).
Ther are a number of ways to place players on the tournament board, we will examine only 2 of those ways."
1) Write every players name on a piece of paper(very time consuming), and put them into a hat, once done with this you will have someone pull a name out one at a time. The first name will be placed at the top of the chart in the first blank spot. The second name will be place in the next blank spot going down the chart. Do this for everyone until all names have been drawn. This gives you a very fair draw done at random.
2) In the beginnning you should have written down everyone's name as they came in and marked them paid for the event. Having a complete list of names in front of you will make things very easy. Now, using the deck of cards or the pieces of paper with numbers on them, you will draw numbers at random again(remember to remove the bye numbers as explained above) and plance a number by the first name on your list and continue to do so until all names have a number by them.
* When all names have a number assigned to them, you will now find that number on the tournament chart and put that players name in that spot.
How to handle a late players "Bye-in"
This task is very simple, you will place the incoming players on the chart according to the reverse order of the "bye list", for example: above we used the bye's of 32 - 16 - 24 - 8 - 28 - 12 - 20 & 4 in that order. You will now "BYE BACK" in reverse order, 4 - 20 - 12 - 28 - 8 - 24 - 16 & 32, the first player going in to spot #4 and the second player going into spot #20 and so-on until no more players come in or the tournament has played past those spots and they are no longer available.
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Good Info.
Good post, I have tried to explain this to a certain TD in my area, and his response is: "The player at the bottom (number 15 on a 16 player board with bye's or number 31 on a 32 player board with bye's) always complains it takes way too long for their first match."
I say, who cares, that is the luck of the draw, and to tell the players to stop whining, but he won't listen.
sodapopd said:
Good post, I have tried to explain this to a certain TD in my area, and his response is: "The player at the bottom (number 15 on a 16 player board with bye's or number 31 on a 32 player board with bye's) always complains it takes way too long for their first match."
I say, who cares, that is the luck of the draw, and to tell the players to stop whining, but he won't listen.
Actually, this is why I start byes at the top. The player at the bottom number could wait two full rounds to play his first match if, say, he had the only bye.ajohnson13 said:
What's the downside? Maybe I'm not understanding why byes starting at the bottom is better.
Fred