TELL ME WHAT YOU CAN PLEASE....
ALSO HAS "MADE IN FRANCE" STAMPED ON THE FOREARM.
ALSO HAS "MADE IN FRANCE" STAMPED ON THE FOREARM.
Calling all old cue experts.....
- Thread starter BarenbruggeCues
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Old Brunswick, the propeller was used on cues imported from French makers and resold as Brunswick cues. It probably has butterflies or very ornate work.
French Brunswick. AFAIK Brunswick actually made these in France in their own cue making facility, but I am not 100% on that.
Much more common in Europe. Likely a billiard cue instead of pool.
There were Brunswicks made in Canada as well, I have one of those.
I saw one with that logo and delaminated points go for over $200. I just could not see spending so much on a cue that was falling apart and needed extensive repair...but others did.
You will find some info and pics on these pages:
http://users.skynet.be/billard.billiards/cue.htm
http://users.skynet.be/billard.billiards/index.htm
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Much more common in Europe. Likely a billiard cue instead of pool.
There were Brunswicks made in Canada as well, I have one of those.
I saw one with that logo and delaminated points go for over $200. I just could not see spending so much on a cue that was falling apart and needed extensive repair...but others did.
You will find some info and pics on these pages:
http://users.skynet.be/billard.billiards/cue.htm
http://users.skynet.be/billard.billiards/index.htm
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It was a fun project. Had to do a replacement on a missing wedge plate, new bottom plate, took the ugly red rubber bumper off and made it into a bumperless. I was able to save the pin and put it in a new shaft and add a new white collar on the butt.
Not a real fancy cue...4 pt full splice- 3 veneer. Double wedge on the bottom. One side veneered ebony that was still intact and the other side I replaced with white material. The veneers still intact on that side.
Was trying to put a date on it more than anything.
Appreciate the info guys.
Not a real fancy cue...4 pt full splice- 3 veneer. Double wedge on the bottom. One side veneered ebony that was still intact and the other side I replaced with white material. The veneers still intact on that side.
Was trying to put a date on it more than anything.
Appreciate the info guys.
Sounds like a nice little project. Any chance we can see pics of the whole cue?
My guess is at least 30-40 years old...maybe more. Just don't know enough about these European cues. But maybe you can contact the owner of the web site I posted. That collector probably knows a lot about these cues.
I have used that web site a lot to ID stuff but have never contacted the owner.
There is another European collector that maintains a web site with lots of info and pics. Mostly snooker cues but some billiard cues. Can't find it right now but if I have to I will.
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My guess is at least 30-40 years old...maybe more. Just don't know enough about these European cues. But maybe you can contact the owner of the web site I posted. That collector probably knows a lot about these cues.
I have used that web site a lot to ID stuff but have never contacted the owner.
There is another European collector that maintains a web site with lots of info and pics. Mostly snooker cues but some billiard cues. Can't find it right now but if I have to I will.
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So this cue is like 1915-1930, without pics it's hard to be more accurate
Not being my cue, I'll have to wait till the owner comes back in the country. He's on a trip and isn't scheduled to return till April. I just don't want to take the liberty not being my property. I figured he wouldn't mind about the logo as we talked about the age and were unsure so I thought I would ask for some help on that.
I was hoping it may be a bit older than you suggest. The pin in the shaft is reflective of the number 1 pin in the pictures on the web site you posted.
As I mentioned it did have an ugly red dry rotted bumper on it but we both thought it to added later and not original.
But who knows...we could be off with that also.
Ha.....posted at almost the same time. That's what I was thinking...early 1900's.
I was hoping it may be a bit older than you suggest. The pin in the shaft is reflective of the number 1 pin in the pictures on the web site you posted.
As I mentioned it did have an ugly red dry rotted bumper on it but we both thought it to added later and not original.
But who knows...we could be off with that also.
Ha.....posted at almost the same time. That's what I was thinking...early 1900's.
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That logo is old, and Brunswick had Frenchman on the payroll who made the ornate butterfly and pronged cues for them.
Very much my size, have him contact me if he's bored of it and wants to trade or sell
It's my cue.
The cue that a previous poster saw go for over $200 is probably this one - I bought it around two years ago and it was very trashed, including a badly stained forearm, popped points, missing veneer bits, broken joint, missing a wedge, worthless shaft. It sat in the closet for a long time before I finally decided to take a stab at fixing it.
The website with the propellor logo photo has only an image of the propellor with no other cue characteristics, and I have found no other images of this logo anywhere. I asked the owner of the website for more information associated with that logo and he had none. So dating it based on the cue-less logo image on that website is impossible unless you are a very old Frenchman. For now we only have the characteristics of this single cue, and I'm not interested in getting into arguments over how old it is, which is why I never posted photos here, although now that we've talked about it, I'll gather some.
The cue has four 3-veneered points and a wedge on either side of the butt, and a 3-veneered buttplate. The wooden pin is in the shaft. As Dave mentioned, it had a reddish bumper that appeared to be after-market, which was applied to a crumbling ivory buttplate that appeared to be hand-carved around the edges. The joint also was probably added later - there are four odd raised areas in the forearm that I think might be due to metal prongs that were shoved in to help hold the newer joint, but I would have to have the cue x-rayed to know more.
If this were a U.S.-made Brunswick cue, based on the two butt wedges and 3-veneered points alone, I would have less problem dating it, as I have owned several Brunswick cues from the era that I was thinking this one was from. But I don't know French cues and I do know that Brunswick cues in France evolved differently from those in the U.S.A. Ultimately I don't really care much, as it is a very special cue for me personally.
I don't think it is 1920's, but I would be very happy to find out that it is, simply because then I could pretend that Hemingway might have played pool with it in Paris while taking a break from writing. How's that for a stretch?
The cue that a previous poster saw go for over $200 is probably this one - I bought it around two years ago and it was very trashed, including a badly stained forearm, popped points, missing veneer bits, broken joint, missing a wedge, worthless shaft. It sat in the closet for a long time before I finally decided to take a stab at fixing it.
The website with the propellor logo photo has only an image of the propellor with no other cue characteristics, and I have found no other images of this logo anywhere. I asked the owner of the website for more information associated with that logo and he had none. So dating it based on the cue-less logo image on that website is impossible unless you are a very old Frenchman. For now we only have the characteristics of this single cue, and I'm not interested in getting into arguments over how old it is, which is why I never posted photos here, although now that we've talked about it, I'll gather some.
The cue has four 3-veneered points and a wedge on either side of the butt, and a 3-veneered buttplate. The wooden pin is in the shaft. As Dave mentioned, it had a reddish bumper that appeared to be after-market, which was applied to a crumbling ivory buttplate that appeared to be hand-carved around the edges. The joint also was probably added later - there are four odd raised areas in the forearm that I think might be due to metal prongs that were shoved in to help hold the newer joint, but I would have to have the cue x-rayed to know more.
If this were a U.S.-made Brunswick cue, based on the two butt wedges and 3-veneered points alone, I would have less problem dating it, as I have owned several Brunswick cues from the era that I was thinking this one was from. But I don't know French cues and I do know that Brunswick cues in France evolved differently from those in the U.S.A. Ultimately I don't really care much, as it is a very special cue for me personally.
I don't think it is 1920's, but I would be very happy to find out that it is, simply because then I could pretend that Hemingway might have played pool with it in Paris while taking a break from writing. How's that for a stretch?
Very cool.
I understand you contacted the guy that maintains the skynet site.
Did you contact this guy?
http://vintagecuesforyou.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=34&Itemid=169
I will say in the past few years I have seen a handful of cues with that logo on them.
In fact there was one around the time that one sold...maybe a couple months after? That one was kind of decent shape.
I think it is a very cool cue. Definitely required a lot of work to get it back in service.
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I understand you contacted the guy that maintains the skynet site.
Did you contact this guy?
http://vintagecuesforyou.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=34&Itemid=169
I will say in the past few years I have seen a handful of cues with that logo on them.
In fact there was one around the time that one sold...maybe a couple months after? That one was kind of decent shape.
I think it is a very cool cue. Definitely required a lot of work to get it back in service.
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Obviously.
I am going through my drive to see if I have any of the pictures saved. I don't remember if I saved any of them. I have thousands of cue pics saved. Most are organized but there are a number that are not so I'll have to dig.
I am pretty confident that there is another one on the web, or at least was a couple years ago, because when that one was on Ebay I researched the heck out of it. I found that logo on skynet and one other that was a pic of a complete cue. But I have no idea where I found it or how to find it again. We'll see what I can come up with on my drive.
It would be nice to find out anything about these cues or at least see another. In any case it is a really cool find and I am glad it got fixed up. :smile:
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Hi , that's indeed an european/french Brunswick cue.
here is a picture of a full cue with this logo , you can see the pin , to compare with yours-> http://www.billard-collection.fr/04-01-01-queues/queue_brunswick.jpg
i remember to have seen this logo on a couple of old -carom- butts stored in a closet of our billiard club ( club created before 1917... we had a lot of verrry old billiard stuff.. sadly mostly trashed by "morons" a few years ago ) but dunno how old they were.
lol Hemingway was famous in Paris , but much more in the Ritz's bar than in the Paris's billard clubs ;-) ... but that's another story hehehe .
here is a picture of a full cue with this logo , you can see the pin , to compare with yours-> http://www.billard-collection.fr/04-01-01-queues/queue_brunswick.jpg
i remember to have seen this logo on a couple of old -carom- butts stored in a closet of our billiard club ( club created before 1917... we had a lot of verrry old billiard stuff.. sadly mostly trashed by "morons" a few years ago ) but dunno how old they were.
lol Hemingway was famous in Paris , but much more in the Ritz's bar than in the Paris's billard clubs ;-) ... but that's another story hehehe .
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TELL ME WHAT YOU CAN PLEASE....
ALSO HAS "MADE IN FRANCE" STAMPED ON THE FOREARM.
Don't just tease us. Show us the finished product.
Thanks for posting this. My cue looks nothing like the one you posted; however, it's reasonable to assume that Brunswick used this logo on most of their French cues over some period of time, carom and otherwise. But I'm not even sure about that - perhaps it was a special stamp like the 'shield' weight stamp Brunswick used briefly during WWII? Given that we haven't seen many examples, the propellor period was likely also a short one - perhaps a dateable catalog or two will show up?
I realize that a discussion like this without pictures is frustrating. On the other hand, I never had any intention of posting pics of this cue - I have purposely avoided internet discussion forums, as I have no self-control
I will post pics, but not until it is sunny and rain-free enough to take some good ones, so it might be a while.
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Pierre - do you have any idea as to the age of the cue you posted? The orange-red bumper looks similar to what mine had, so maybe it was actually part of the original cue. Also, I would be curious about the joint on this cue - is it ivory or synthetic? The cracked joint that my cue came with was synthetic with striations in it that made it look just like ivory. I thought it was a replacement, but perhaps it was also original to the cue.
I know Hemingway loved to play pool, definitely when he was younger. One of his characters who came back to the U.S. from WWI loved playing pool - reading that part of the story sounded just like pool-related days I have had.
Hey Chris - I hope you are doing well. I miss the weekend tournaments at the pool hall in Marietta.
No tease involved - I should have resisted joining this thread until I was prepared to post pictures. My apologies for that.
Here are photos of the French Brunswick 'propellor' label cue that Dave rebuilt for me:
https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/brunswicks-evolution.48466/post-7635406
https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/brunswicks-evolution.48466/post-7635406