Can I install a white diamond break tip by hand?

xX-Wizard-Xx said:
I don't think applying a leather tip requires a rocket scientist. I have been applying tips since I was 15 without a lathe .. I can put a tip on that is almost as good as lathe job ... I have never had a tip to fall off and I have people asking for me to put tips on for them and I do consider tip replacement a do it yourself job . I also recommend people just do it yourself it is not that hard and kind of enjoyable. I also think phenolic tips are overkill ....
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good thing nobody asked you to think,
asshat
 
Dave38 said:
Funny how none of the replys have told the OP how to do a composite tp by hand, which they themselves are basically saying is easy.......(and they only mention concerning a leather tip.....and have not mentioned a composite tip) but that was not his question....where are the step by step instructions? He did ask, after being told it can be done by xx-Wizard-xx, and yet xx-Wizard-xx hasn't told him how to do it.....how about you....Greg M....where is your advise? Crickets.....
He Specifically asked about a White Diamond tip.....and doing a white diamond or any composite tip is NOT anywhere near an easy task doing it strictly by hand. I strongly advise having a cue repair guy do it, considering the damage you may do to the ferrule trying to get it flush and then paying someone to replace the ferrule AND doing the tip anyways.

Hence my comments earlier about it being the ask the cuemaker forum, not the diyer forum.........if some members get their 'FEELINGS' hurt because of my comment.... too bad, read the sticky about this particular section.......
It's about Getting REAL answers rather than a bunch of diy'ers that haven't even done what is being asked about throwing their 2 cents in .....and didn't even read the post fully to come close to giving a real answer.
Sincerely,
Dave
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Ffs. Glue it on and carefully shape it to the ferrule. Use files for most of the work. Or get it close on a belt sander.

This isn't rocket surgery. The first comp tip I put on took me eighteen minutes.
 
Dave38 said:
I would love to see a video showing using a belt sander and files....I think it would help show how easy it really is.
Dave
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The process is easy, the results will vary widely depending on operator skill and patience.

I'm not inclined to post a video for a few simple reasons:

1. I don't use phenolic tips. One was enough.
2. I doubt you'd even try to learn anything from it.
3. I expect you would accuse me of doctoring the video. Stanley Kubrick is dead, so I could refute that moon-landing bs.
4. Your opinion doesn't matter to me. At all.
 
DeeDeeCues said:
The process is easy, the results will vary widely depending on operator skill and patience.

I'm not inclined to post a video for a few simple reasons:

1. I don't use phenolic tips. One was enough.
2. I doubt you'd even try to learn anything from it.
3. I expect you would accuse me of doctoring the video. Stanley Kubrick is dead, so I could refute that moon-landing bs.
4. Your opinion doesn't matter to me. At all.
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all I am asking is to backup what you said was easy to do......a video showing it could help others to do it themselves......why not?
I do all tip and repairs on lathes but there are some DIY'ers that could use the video of you using a belt sander to do the job, to be able to do it themselves. I have learned a lot from watching youtube videos for many different things
 
DeeDeeCues said:
The process is easy, the results will vary widely depending on operator skill and patience.

I'm not inclined to post a video for a few simple reasons:

1. I don't use phenolic tips. One was enough.
2. I doubt you'd even try to learn anything from it.
3. I expect you would accuse me of doctoring the video. Stanley Kubrick is dead, so I could refute that moon-landing bs.
4. Your opinion doesn't matter to me. At all.
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It would be pretty cool.
Not kidding!
 
Michael Webb said:
It would be pretty cool.
Not kidding!
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In reality it would be the most boring video on the internet. You'd see a couple of minutes of bench-top belt sander use before the rest of the video was a guy hunched over a shaft. I don't even have cats in my shop.

The only reasons I ever did it were because I had access to scrap 5/8" G10 rod and I'd never tried a phenolic tip.

I cut a disc off the rod using a band saw, then sanded it flat on one side. I carefully flattened the ferrule with a sanding block.

After gluing on the tip, I had a lot of material to remove (~2mm all around), so I went to the bench-top sander and sanded the edges of the tip as close to the ferrule as I felt comfortable. While I was there, I domed the tip within a hairy eyeball of a usable shape.

Then I hunched over the bench and filed the tip closer to flush of the ferrule. I worked progressively around the tip with smaller and finer files until I was within several thou of the ferrule.

I used some scrap wood, spray adhesive, and sandpaper to make a few sandpaper files that were small enough to use precisely. I think I made them with 320, 600, 800 grit. Working those in the same way as the files, I basically polished the tip to flush with the ferrule. The files, belt sander, and sanding files were all used working perpendicular to the the axis of the shaft.

The final step is to polish the tip using strips of fine sandpaper.

Was it perfect? No. Good enough that my brutally honest friends saw no problems.
Was it the 'right way'? Maybe for the tools I had access to at the time, but not really.
Do I recommend that people do this? No, but it is possible and if it is the only way and they have the skill and patience, it will work. They should understand that there is the risk of damaging or scarring the ferrule.
 
Dave38 said:
all I am asking is to backup what you said was easy to do......a video showing it could help others to do it themselves......why not?
I do all tip and repairs on lathes but there are some DIY'ers that could use the video of you using a belt sander to do the job, to be able to do it themselves. I have learned a lot from watching youtube videos for many different things
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I never used the word 'easy'.
 
DeeDeeCues said:
In reality it would be the most boring video on the internet. You'd see a couple of minutes of bench-top belt sander use before the rest of the video was a guy hunched over a shaft. I don't even have cats in my shop.

The only reasons I ever did it were because I had access to scrap 5/8" G10 rod and I'd never tried a phenolic tip.

I cut a disc off the rod using a band saw, then sanded it flat on one side. I carefully flattened the ferrule with a sanding block.

After gluing on the tip, I had a lot of material to remove (~2mm all around), so I went to the bench-top sander and sanded the edges of the tip as close to the ferrule as I felt comfortable. While I was there, I domed the tip within a hairy eyeball of a usable shape.

Then I hunched over the bench and filed the tip closer to flush of the ferrule. I worked progressively around the tip with smaller and finer files until I was within several thou of the ferrule.

I used some scrap wood, spray adhesive, and sandpaper to make a few sandpaper files that were small enough to use precisely. I think I made them with 320, 600, 800 grit. Working those in the same way as the files, I basically polished the tip to flush with the ferrule. The files, belt sander, and sanding files were all used working perpendicular to the the axis of the shaft.

The final step is to polish the tip using strips of fine sandpaper.

Was it perfect? No. Good enough that my brutally honest friends saw no problems.
Was it the 'right way'? Maybe for the tools I had access to at the time, but not really.
Do I recommend that people do this? No, but it is possible and if it is the only way and they have the skill and patience, it will work. They should understand that there is the risk of damaging or scarring the ferrule.
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I pictured everything you posted. I appreciated it.
Thank you
 
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