Can Swurve offset deflection?

CarlB

CarlB

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THIS IS NOT AN AIMING THREAD...DO NOT TURN IT INTO ONE!!!

I am sure this has been covered at some point in time.

Example: I hit the cue ball with low left english. The cueball deflects slightly to the right of the line of aim. However, the swurve causes the cue ball to curve slightly to the left.

Would these essentially offset each other? or would the adjustment for each be different.

Just more of a curious question than anything else. I am not looking for a scientific formula for each offset. Just opinions on the two working together.

Carl
 
you forgot several important factors...

speed, desired distance, friction
 
Mitchxout said:
Actually it could if a brand limited itself to certain playing characteristics. But anyway, I get your drift. :thumbup:
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...but you are right there are other factors that I didn't mention. Others might include but not limited to ...

humidity
temperature
wind
altitude
ball surface
B.A.C. :)
 
CarlB said:
THIS IS NOT AN AIMING THREAD...DO NOT TURN IT INTO ONE!!!

I am sure this has been covered at some point in time.

Example: I hit the cue ball with low left english. The cueball deflects slightly to the right of the line of aim. However, the swurve causes the cue ball to curve slightly to the left.

Would these essentially offset each other? or would the adjustment for each be different.

Just more of a curious question than anything else. I am not looking for a scientific formula for each offset. Just opinions on the two working together.

Carl
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Depending upon many factors, squirt (cueball deflection) can be cancelled out by swerve.

Some VERY GOOD players swear there is no such thing as cue ball deflection primarily because of this reason.

Sometimes a shooter imparts more swerve to the cue ball than is needed to offset the squirt of the cue ball resulting in a missed shot. The opposite is also true but on certain shots, yes, you can cancel out the squirt of the cue ball by imparting side spin to the cue ball. A lot of people don't know that High outside or High Inside spin can sometimes impart swerve "QUICKER" than low outside spin, especially when high is used at close range targets and with slow speeds. I think generally when people shoot low outside or low inside, they hit the cue ball with a faster speed than when they shoot with HO or HI. The difference in speed may be what accounts for the swerve taking affect faster or slower.


JoeyA


JoeyA
 
CarlB said:
THIS IS NOT AN AIMING THREAD...DO NOT TURN IT INTO ONE!!!

I am sure this has been covered at some point in time.

Example: I hit the cue ball with low left english. The cueball deflects slightly to the right of the line of aim. However, the swurve causes the cue ball to curve slightly to the left.

Would these essentially offset each other? or would the adjustment for each be different.

Just more of a curious question than anything else. I am not looking for a scientific formula for each offset. Just opinions on the two working together.

Carl
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Yes, but depends on how you hit it. I use it all the time to get around a ball that is in the way by a mm or less. Low left would almost be a tiny masse though, I just hit the cue with side only, and the friction between the cloth and deflection brings it around the ball and back in. You need to hit it pretty soft though or it won't curve back in with the spin. I think this is also the theory behind hitting a ball up a long rail where there is a pocket between the cue and object call. I think it was in Byrnes book that I read it. You hit the ball with a bit of inside, which curves it enough to get around the points/rail.
 
CarlB said:
I am sure this has been covered at some point in time.

Example: I hit the cue ball with low left english. The cueball deflects slightly to the right of the line of aim. However, the swurve causes the cue ball to curve slightly to the left.

Would these essentially offset each other? or would the adjustment for each be different.

Just more of a curious question than anything else. I am not looking for a scientific formula for each offset. Just opinions on the two working together.
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As others have pointed out, squirt will cancel swerve for a given cue only for certain combinations of shot speed, shot distance, amount and type of English, cue elevation, conditions, etc. For a complete summary of all of the important squirt and swerve effects, see items 1 through 14 (with linked resources) on the list after the videos and illustration here:

FYI, this online video covers the basics fairly well:

Enjoy,
Dave
 
QUOTE=JoeyA;3021636]Depending upon many factors, squirt (cueball deflection) can be cancelled out by swerve.

Some VERY GOOD players swear there is no such thing as cue ball deflection primarily because of this reason.

Sometimes a shooter imparts more swerve to the cue ball than is needed to offset the squirt of the cue ball resulting in a missed shot. The opposite is also true but on certain shots, yes, you can cancel out the squirt of the cue ball by imparting side spin to the cue ball. A lot of people don't know that High outside or High Inside spin can sometimes impart swerve "QUICKER" than low outside spin, especially when high is used at close range targets and with slow speeds. I think generally when people shoot low outside or low inside, they hit the cue ball with a faster speed than when they shoot with HO or HI. The difference in speed may be what accounts for the swerve taking affect faster or slower.


JoeyA


JoeyA[/QUOTE]

yup

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