Can we talk about Dale Perry cues?

NathanDetroit

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Not eBay stuff. The "good stuff".

Everyone knows the argument that he hurt the value of the older cues when began mass producing the LOA 1/1 cues.

That was then.

Anyone else got one they are proud of?
 
That was then.

No, it's still now.

Dude destroyed his name; collectors won't touch'em.

Pride goeth before the fall... And boy howdy did DP fall.

Having said that, I still recommend folks looking for a cheap cue (sub $225) buy them as APA league night bangers.

I'll give you $200 for yours!
 
I have owned a pre e bay 1999 DP cue and an e bay era DP cue. The first one was a real nice player and excellent construction. The e bay era cue was surprisingly well made and played very well too- I only paid $125 or so for it back in about 2010. it was a real nice looking cue and it would command about $400 today as the bay era cues went up with inflation. My 1999 DP only sold for about $400 as well and it had ivory rings and a true Cortland linen wrap - Zebra wood and it was in A 1 condition.

I look at it as he did what he had to do to sell cues, I hold nothing against the man. He was an honest e bay seller, some liked those cues and some did not- Mine was a true bargain at the time and would be today at $400 as per the way it looked and played. Too bad his pre bay cues suffered in price - they were excellent cues.
 
Everyone knows the argument that he hurt the value of the older cues when began mass producing the LOA 1/1 cues.

That was then.

Anyone else got one they are proud of?

For those who don't know the argument that Dale Perry hurt the value of his older cues when he began mass producing ...... See February thread at https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/dale-perry-quesy.572880/#post-8057280 and comments from that below

It doesn't matter. It's perception. DP lost all the value of his earlier high dollar cues because of what he chose to do. If you flood the market with tons of a product, the value goes down. When he did it, realizing that he could make more money by making and selling a higher volume at a lower price, he drove the prices down to where he could no longer get the 3-400 bucks per cue that made his business model functional. So in order to make up for it, he had to make more cues. That's when the quality dipped way beyond acceptibility. I had and played for several years with one of his cues right after he changed his model. It was a great cue. Within a year of that, there were massive deficiencies and it just drove down the value of all of his cues.

Any product is worth what people are willing to pay for them. Unfortunately, DP did screw over all of the previous customers and the older cues value dipped with the rest of them. You don't have to go by what I say. Feel free to pay a grand or more for one of his cues. I remember seeing a couple of his cues in the mid nineties at spa and billiard stores for $2200.00 and thinking I'd like to get one of those. I got one and was lucky to get close to what I paid for it just before everything hit the fan.

Jaden

I have to disagree with these two points. I bought one of the late DP eBay cues (about a year before he stopped selling them) and it is my favorite playing cue, replacing a mid to upper level Pechauer. In the approximately 4 years I've had it the only flaws that I've noticed are a slight raising of the finish at one of the rings and a very slight shaft warp when the air is really dry during a Wisconsin cold snap. This is in-spite of my keeping the cue in my car 365 days a year since I bought it. I'd say that's excellent performance for a cue that I paid $180 plus $20 shipping for.

As far as screwing over his early buyers, in order for a screwing to take place in this context, there has to be an intentional screwer and an unwilling screwee. There is no evidence that Perry intended to screw anybody with his change in business practices. His early buyers got well made, great playing cues for a price that was acceptable to them. Those that were buying them to play with or collect for aesthetic enjoyment certainly were not screwed by his later change in business model because the cues still looked and played fine.

I do agree that those that bought the pre-eBay cues to flip or hold for investment lost out when they dropped in value. However, that's the nature of speculative investing (or gambling) - sometimes you win and sometimes you lose due to unforeseen conditions or events. Saying Dale Perry screwed these investors is similar to saying that a football coach who runs the clock out although well within field goal range when ahead by 2 but favored by 3 is screwing those who bet on his team. The bettors that laid the points lose out, but the coach's choice was strictly a business decision that had nothing to do with them. The bettors may feel screwed, but in reality they were not. The coach has no obligation to them, and in fact would be making an illogical decision if he included their interests in his reasoning.

Regarding getting $225 Dale Perry cues on eBay today?
Having said that, I still recommend folks looking for a cheap cue (sub $225) buy them as APA league night bangers.
Aren't any on eBay now (ignore the $217 Dufferin):

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