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NathanDetroit

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I am being offered a DP cue. Not the usual 1/1 with COA, but similar. It is dated "04".

Was wondering if that wasn't about the time he changed his sales model. And, did he use radial pins on pre eBay cues.

Thanks
 
NathanDetroit said:
I am being offered a DP cue. Not the usual 1/1 with COA, but similar. It is dated "04".

Was wondering if that wasn't about the time he changed his sales model. And, did he use radial pins on pre eBay cues.

Thanks
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The quality didn't start going down until after 2006, but the value is still the same, I wouldn't spend more than $150 for any of his cues.

Jaden
 
Jaden said:
The quality didn't start going down until after 2006, but the value is still the same, I wouldn't spend more than $150 for any of his cues.

Jaden
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Why? The folks that are/were mad at DP because they had purchased his high dollar cues. Not all of them bought the cues on looks alone, surely.
 
NathanDetroit said:
Why? The folks that are/were mad at DP because they had purchased his high dollar cues. Not all of them bought the cues on looks alone, surely.
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It doesn't matter. It's perception. DP lost all the value of his earlier high dollar cues because of what he chose to do. If you flood the market with tons of a product, the value goes down. When he did it, realizing that he could make more money by making and selling a higher volume at a lower price, he drove the prices down to where he could no longer get the 3-400 bucks per cue that made his business model functional. So in order to make up for it, he had to make more cues. That's when the quality dipped way beyond acceptibility. I had and played for several years with one of his cues right after he changed his model. It was a great cue. Within a year of that, there were massive deficiencies and it just drove down the value of all of his cues.

Any product is worth what people are willing to pay for them. Unfortunately, DP did screw over all of the previous customers and the older cues value dipped with the rest of them. You don't have to go by what I say. Feel free to pay a grand or more for one of his cues. I remember seeing a couple of his cues in the mid nineties at spa and billiard stores for $2200.00 and thinking I'd like to get one of those. I got one and was lucky to get close to what I paid for it just before everything hit the fan.

Jaden
 
Jaden said:
It doesn't matter. It's perception. DP lost all the value of his earlier high dollar cues because of what he chose to do. If you flood the market with tons of a product, the value goes down. When he did it, realizing that he could make more money by making and selling a higher volume at a lower price, he drove the prices down to where he could no longer get the 3-400 bucks per cue that made his business model functional. So in order to make up for it, he had to make more cues. That's when the quality dipped way beyond acceptibility. I had and played for several years with one of his cues right after he changed his model. It was a great cue. Within a year of that, there were massive deficiencies and it just drove down the value of all of his cues.

Any product is worth what people are willing to pay for them. Unfortunately, DP did screw over all of the previous customers and the older cues value dipped with the rest of them. You don't have to go by what I say. Feel free to pay a grand or more for one of his cues. I remember seeing a couple of his cues in the mid nineties at spa and billiard stores for $2200.00 and thinking I'd like to get one of those. I got one and was lucky to get close to what I paid for it just before everything hit the fan.

Jaden
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Yep. I know a guy that bought a beautiful curly maple mw at the trade show for something like 1500bux. He'd be lucky to get 300 for it now.
 
Okay, Jaden and Garzar, can you say the early cues that sold for a custom's price play worse after DP started his eBay sales?

If the pre eBay cues played well, are they still good players?
 
NathanDetroit said:
Okay, Jaden and Garzar, can you say the early cues that sold for a custom's price play worse after DP started his eBay sales?

If the pre eBay cues played well, are they still good players?
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didn't say anything about how they play only how the value of the customs plummeted when he went to cranking out those simple cnc cues. every one i've hit played good.
 
Jaden said:
That's when the quality dipped way beyond acceptibility. I had and played for several years with one of his cues right after he changed his model. It was a great cue. Within a year of that, there were massive deficiencies and it just drove down the value of all of his cues.

Any product is worth what people are willing to pay for them. Unfortunately, DP did screw over all of the previous customers and the older cues value dipped with the rest of them.
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I have to disagree with these two points. I bought one of the late DP eBay cues (about a year before he stopped selling them) and it is my favorite playing cue, replacing a mid to upper level Pechauer. In the approximately 4 years I've had it the only flaws that I've noticed are a slight raising of the finish at one of the rings and a very slight shaft warp when the air is really dry during a Wisconsin cold snap. This is in-spite of my keeping the cue in my car 365 days a year since I bought it. I'd say that's excellent performance for a cue that I paid $180 plus $20 shipping for.

As far as screwing over his early buyers, in order for a screwing to take place in this context, there has to be an intentional screwer and an unwilling screwee. There is no evidence that Perry intended to screw anybody with his change in business practices. His early buyers got well made, great playing cues for a price that was acceptable to them. Those that were buying them to play with or collect for aesthetic enjoyment certainly were not screwed by his later change in business model because the cues still looked and played fine.

I do agree that those that bought the pre-eBay cues to flip or hold for investment lost out when they dropped in value. However, that's the nature of speculative investing (or gambling) - sometimes you win and sometimes you lose due to unforeseen conditions or events. Saying Dale Perry screwed these investors is similar to saying that a football coach who runs the clock out although well within field goal range when ahead by 2 but favored by 3 is screwing those who bet on his team. The bettors that laid the points lose out, but the coach's choice was strictly a business decision that had nothing to do with them. The bettors may feel screwed, but in reality they were not. The coach has no obligation to them, and in fact would be making an illogical decision if he included their interests in his reasoning.
 
I tried one of his pre-Ebay cues, was not even close to being an above average to great player for a "custom cue".
 
They are great cues, buy all you can, don't worry about price.

I'll await your next 3 threads about some other stick you have a chance to buy.
 
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