All my cues are Becue , I swore I would never go CF, researching the company I found out that they are pool players looking to use CF to advance pool equipment much like what was done in Golf, you can read about what they have done on their website, I read many reviews of people that owned these cues and almost all of them said after playing with their Becue cue their other cues now sit in the case unused, I have now owned my Becue cues for almost a year and love the way they play,(1) play cue (1) break cue, I have no desire to look for another cue, I love the consistent hit, the feel of the cue, and the lack of vibration when striking the cue ball, as far as low deflection, I don't know the numbers nor do I care, all I know is I have to compensate very little when using english and I get great action action on the cue ball, there is no right and wrong when it comes to YOUR cue choice, I highly recommend them, If you haven't had a chance to try one do that before making your next cue purchase, you might just end up buying a Becue .
Carbon fiber butt?
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I feel like it probably makes zero performance difference in any measurable way. The butt just isn't important from a performance perspective IMO.
It may or may not feel different. Probably does I would guess, but haven't tried one so cannot speak from experience.
I think we'll see more and more of them. It makes sense, the market has made a solid and definite move away from wood shafts and I can't think of any good reasons butts won't go that way over time too. Not because they're better necessarily but they'll be super easy to churn out consistently and they'll never warp, the latter I suppose is an improvement at least.
I don't think wood is going away though. I think we'll still see wood shafts on custom cues and cheap cues for quite a while. But I think we'll see wood stick around for a long time in a butt, along side new carbon offerings. Carbon just doesn't lend itself to the customization pool players are used to. Different wrap styles, inlays, etc. I've recently converted fully to carbon shafts in my actual playing setup. I got a Revo shaft for my Runde butt and a BK Rush and Air Rush to complete the transition. Working great for me, I love being able to keep using my Runde which I've been playing with for 8 years or so now and love. Only thing I'm missing is a good screw on extension unfortunately, if I change to a new playing cue it'll be a traditional wood cue like my Runde but with an integrated extension and will need to be able to accept a Revo shaft.
I like the craftsmanship nature of a good custom cue. I appreciate the work and artistry that goes into it and I just don't think I can get as excited about a full carbon cue. And I doubt I'm the only one. But I think there are probably plenty who don't care and for them I think the full carbon cue with become more and more common.
It may or may not feel different. Probably does I would guess, but haven't tried one so cannot speak from experience.
I think we'll see more and more of them. It makes sense, the market has made a solid and definite move away from wood shafts and I can't think of any good reasons butts won't go that way over time too. Not because they're better necessarily but they'll be super easy to churn out consistently and they'll never warp, the latter I suppose is an improvement at least.
I don't think wood is going away though. I think we'll still see wood shafts on custom cues and cheap cues for quite a while. But I think we'll see wood stick around for a long time in a butt, along side new carbon offerings. Carbon just doesn't lend itself to the customization pool players are used to. Different wrap styles, inlays, etc. I've recently converted fully to carbon shafts in my actual playing setup. I got a Revo shaft for my Runde butt and a BK Rush and Air Rush to complete the transition. Working great for me, I love being able to keep using my Runde which I've been playing with for 8 years or so now and love. Only thing I'm missing is a good screw on extension unfortunately, if I change to a new playing cue it'll be a traditional wood cue like my Runde but with an integrated extension and will need to be able to accept a Revo shaft.
I like the craftsmanship nature of a good custom cue. I appreciate the work and artistry that goes into it and I just don't think I can get as excited about a full carbon cue. And I doubt I'm the only one. But I think there are probably plenty who don't care and for them I think the full carbon cue with become more and more common.
I admire the skill and craftmanship that goes into making custom cues, I think they look amazing, there are many custom cues that play extremely well but ALL wood shafts will wear down over time and that will change how the cue will play, temp and humidity also affect all wood shafts even Kielwood shafts, anything made of wood , the most important thing my pool cue can offer me is a consistent hit, that will help me win games, no one cares how pretty your cue looks when you lose your match, There is a lot of research that has gone into Becue Cues with the goal of making great playing cues, I didn't think I would ever go to a CF cue but I am happy I did.
For those who say a carbon butt "plays better" on a carbon shaft or even that a carbon shaft alone plays better do you mean that if you typically play even with someone using your standard wood cue that the carbon/carbon or even just carbon/wood makes you more consistently a winner against that person? Or by "play better do you mean that you like the feedback from the cue better? If you feel it makes you play better is it because it gives you more confidence to move the cue ball more accurately or does it actually seem easier to pocket more balls?
"Plays better" is a subjective term, I agree, what I like about my Becue cue and find different is the lack of vibration when striking the cue ball, I can feel the "hit" but there is no vibration, some might say that the cue "lacks feedback" but I disagree, I feel my cue going through the ball but without the vibration, I have come to prefer the feel of this hit, that's my 2 cents.
"Plays better" is a subjective term, what I like about my Becue cue and find different is the lack of vibration when striking the cue ball, I can feel the "hit" but there is no vibration, some might say that the cue "lacks feedback" but I disagree, I feel my cue going through the ball but without the vibration, I have come to prefer the feel of this hit, that's my 2 cents. It's always the Indian not the arrow that makes the difference anyone who tells you this "name piece of equipment" will make you better is selling snake oil.
DeeDeeCues
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Maybe once people realize that pool and golf have exactly nothing in common this argument will stop being cited.
Seriously, what similarities does golf have to pool? I don't swing my cue like a golf club. I've never seen a golfer argue about what type of leather to put on the face of his irons. I would really like to know what you think is a relevant thing in golf to compare to pool.
I don't disagree at all when it comes to shafts. I don't believe the butt plays a big factor, or any factor, in performance really. Not warping is certainly good, but I haven't run across nearly as many warped butts as warped shafts over the years so less concerned about that.
And if people don't care about craftsmanship then I think a full carbon cue is great.
But for those of us who do, I think the combo of a classic wood constructed butt paired with a modern carbon shaft will be the most common setup. It's what I'm using, I absolutely love the combo of my Runde cue butt with a Revo 12.4 shaft. Plays great, feels great, and I'm a better player with it than even my favorite Runde wood shaft that I had years of playing on. I don't believe I'm sacrificing any performance by using a traditional wood cue butt with my carbon shaft.
I beg to differ, you have obviously never seen the movie "The Color of Money", there is a lot of cue swinging going on there.
.DeeDeeCues
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I beg to differ, you have obviously never seen the movie "The Color of Money", there is a lot of cue swinging going on there.
Oh, yeah. There is also a lot of spinning the cue like a baton. I guess we all need to dress like a matching band member in order to be our best.
And if people don't care about craftsmanship then I think a full carbon cue is great......don't assume there is no craftmanship in building a world class cue just because the look doesn't appeal to you, there is no one cue that is right for everyone, I'm glad you have found what works for you, might want to actually try one before saying there is no difference.
So are you saying that if you play dead even with someone using your wood/wood Runde that switching to a carbon shaft makes you a winner more often than not against the same person?? Or that you typically lose to the 9 ball ghost by a game or 2 using your wood shaft but you can consistently beat the ghost with the carbon shaft?? I use a wood shaft, a McDermott G-Core, some people claim its not even a low deflection shaft. It seems like it would take months of playing to find out if a shaft change honestly improved your game, that's what I'm trying to figure out. I like my wood shaft.
Bicycles have nothing to do with pool either but the properties of CF have also been used in that sport as well, at one time cues were all one piece but then someone got the idea of putting a joint into them so they could be stored in 2 pieces, madness I say, utter madness
So it’s purely anecdotal, I haven’t done any hard core testing. But, I feel like I’m much more consistent now in making difficult shots, long shots with spin especially.
I play in a Monday night 8 ball league with an in house handicapping system and my rating there has improved by a good bit since the switch. Now some of that could be me getting better and some of it could be I just feel more confident and therefor it translates into better performance.
So I can’t say a carbon shaft will perform better for others, but for me I feel like I perform better with it and what little data I have seems to support that.
Fair. It's a different kind of craftsmanship but you have a point. I work in the cycling industry so I'm very familiar with what goes into the production of high end carbon products.
I wish I had a good chance to try out a full carbon cue.
I actually just sent an email to Becue to see if they'd have any interest in providing a full carbon cue for an AZB passaround (I ran the OB DigiCue passaround). Long shot maybe, but figured it could be a fun way to get some more AZB members experience trying a full carbon cue.
Bicycles have nothing to do with pool either but the properties of CF have also been used in that sport as well, at one time cues were all one piece but then someone got the idea of putting a joint into them so they could be stored in 2 pieces, madness I say, utter madness
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