Challenge Ladder Pool Leagues

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We started a new type of pool league in our county of PA, which is catching on extremely quickly. In just over 1 month, we have almost 50 active members and it's still growing. Basically, it's a ladder challenge league where a committee of 5 members in the area give an initial ranking to incoming players based on ability. From there, the player can challenge the person above them and, if they win, they move up 1 spot. We instituted a $20 minimum bet, but the bet can be any amount that both players agree on. If either player doesn't want to play higher, the bet is $20. The person challenging picks the game (8b, 9b, 10b) and the player being challenged picks the table. All matches are even races to 8. A 10-day window is given to complete the challenge. If you lose a challenge, you can't challenge up again until you either defend a challenge or 5 days have passed without receiving a challenge from below you. A complete set of rules can be viewed at http://www.wchpl.com/challenge/rules

We initially began this on an existing ladder challenge website but ran into a number of issues so I decided to write our own site. This gave me the flexibility to really tailor the site to what we wanted. All challenges are issues through the site and the site controls when challenges can be made, when they expire etc. I also added a 'Side Action' page where you can place bets on matches and keep track of your profit/loss, who you owe and who owes you, mark bets as paid etc.

I'm still working on the site, dressing it up, adding functionality/options/etc, but it's pretty solid and functional as is right now. Just know that I won't be stopping work on it anytime soon and will continue to improve it. It's only about 3 weeks in the making right now.

So my thought is to make this available publicly, for people to be able to start them up in their area in a turnkey fashion. If anyone has any interest, PM me for details. I haven't decided on a price structure yet, but I'm leaning towards a nominal setup fee to start the league and then a low yearly membership fee for players. My fee per player would be set, and a league operator could have the option to charge whatever they wanted on top of that (or nothing as is the case for our area).

The site can be viewed at http://www.wchpl.com/challenge/

A lot of the site is private, so I've included some screenshots of the different areas to give you an idea of what we have so far.
 

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I love it

I love it!!!! It's like the tv series Street Outlaws. Great idea!!! Best of luck with this.
 
Awesome Concept

Awesome Concept.

There is a Challenge Ladder System for other sports but yours will be designed for Pool Players and that will make it easier for people to get together and play and not have to be part of weekly league. Awesome!
 
This looks great. Did you by chance check with any of the national organizations to see if someway you could gain sanctioning?

Thank you!
 
Thanks all! I think it has potential. The players around here really seem to enjoy the freedom of it so far. It's always nice to see 100% of your money go either in your pocket or your opponent's pocket at the end of the night.
 
This looks great. Did you by chance check with any of the national organizations to see if someway you could gain sanctioning?

Thank you!

Thank you! I haven't but I think doing that would be counterproductive to one of the nicest parts of it. If it were sanctioned by a national league, they'd likely want a cut of the players' money, which is something we're trying to avoid :)
 
Great idea. I've played on challenge ladders in other sports and they always worked out well.

One question: why would you limit the challenge to one spot up?
In other ladders I played on it was five spots up. You could challenge anyone above you, but if you're more than five spots below someone, they don't have to accept your challenge. Because there's a bet involved in your ladder, it would seem better to be able to challenge anyone above you. What's not to like about someone several spots below you wanting to gamble?
 
I'll be sharing this with my community, we have discussed it before, but it looks like you really refined a great product.
 
Great idea. I've played on challenge ladders in other sports and they always worked out well.

One question: why would you limit the challenge to one spot up?
In other ladders I played on it was five spots up. You could challenge anyone above you, but if you're more than five spots below someone, they don't have to accept your challenge. Because there's a bet involved in your ladder, it would seem better to be able to challenge anyone above you. What's not to like about someone several spots below you wanting to gamble?

Thanks!

I'm not sure why we decided on 1 spot up. Someone else came up with the idea and a bunch of us just got together and made it happen, and that's just what we decided on. I do like your ideas. I think we just did it this way for simplicity, though we can add that as a league option to be able to set rules like that.
 
I'll be sharing this with my community, we have discussed it before, but it looks like you really refined a great product.

Thanks! I'll be setting up a demo in the next couple days so people can create accounts and login/poke around to get a feel for what it offers. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
 
I wish you the best in this ladder thing. Anytime the middle man gets cut out, I like it. Johnnyt
 
Nice, I've never seen this in pool. With all the one-on-one matches in pro pool, and the lack of an organized tour, I'd love to see the pros use something like this.
 
I set up a much smaller version of this in 1986 called "Top Gun". Name inspired be the recently released movie.

Details:

It cost a quarter to challenge someone one or two spots above. The loser put 50 cents into the pot to join the challenger's quarter.

The pot was won when someone successfully defended the top sport three consecutive times.

Race to 3 eight ball. Valley rules

It ended up with three players knocking each other off the top spot. A always beat B, B beat C and C beat A. The pot grew to around $60 or $70 dollars before we had a seeded tournament for the entire pot. I did not win.


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The only thing I might add to your setup, is having a prize at the top for defending the position a set number of times.
 
Used to have a similar challenge ladder in college within the billiard club, it was pretty fun...

How do you handle table fees? Do the players split or loser pays or...?


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What? No Woodie? I cant believe that anything happens around here without Woodie being involved. :D

Kidding aside, this looks good. With the APA, TAP and NAPA screwing up around here the area has been lacking in league leadership for a while. This looks to add a whole new dimension to play around here.

Best of luck!

Alan
 
fjk mention possibly challenging more than one spot up, what if it cost an additional $5 or $10 for every spot you challenged up with a limit of 5 spots ahead.

In $5 increments for example:

1 spot $20
2 spot $25
3 spot $30
4 spot $35
5 spot $40

I think the original idea is great but I think this could spice it up a bit.

Bern
 
Thank you, everyone, for your feedback and responses. It has been much appreciated.

I set up demo version of the site at http://www.billiardbattle.com

There are currently 2 logins:
user: demoAdmin
password: demo

user: demoUser1
password: demo

Feel free to login with either and poke around, create new users, issue challenges, make bets, submit matches etc to get a feel for how everything works.

Note if you create a new user, you'll need to login as demoAdmin and set their rank before they'll be able to issue challenges etc.

Thanks,
John
 
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