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then i suggest you experiment. whats the worst that can happen. you wont lose what you have but on the other hand , you might stumble on something and improve your game . i can say this efren, johnny, earl and many others didnt start out champions, and they are not just lucky to continue to be champions. they are doing something your not doing. yes they have talent but talent minus know how = 0... imo . your job is to figure out what they are doing. thats what they did to get good and it didnt come by spending two or three days a week in the poolroom . i dont think there is anything wrong with imitating a great players style,stroke, and the rest. i guarantee we all do it to some extent. i kinda think if the best players in the world all get really low then thats probaly one of the things that is a must. i mean personaly if i were to imitate a player and my goal was to be the best, then i would find him or her 
. that player for me would be efren. i have used every possible grip ,stance , bridge ,cue weight and many other things there is , and if your game is not improving and you have not done much experimenting then you are not doing all it takes to be a champion, if that is indeed your goal. if not being a champion isnt your goal then this thread doesnt apply to you. i was telling jimmy the other day that i never had a good hitting cue. i hit with other peoples cues and and every now and the i would hit with someones cue that i controlled the cue ball twice as good as i did with the one i was using. but they either would not sell it or wanted to much. i never would order a cue for fear that it would not hit the way i liked and i would be stuck with it. so i usualy ended up with a cuetech or some other cue that played pretty good till you loaded it with side english then i had to get used to the deflection which was not always the same. but i got used to it so mabye i will get lucky and find a solid cuesomeday . ok back to the point. to be honest efren's style,grip, stance ,ect. is different and unless someone uses those same thing he does , they will never be able to do the thigs he does i promise. so my advice is to befriend efren dig in his ear and study everything about his style cue stick,brige stance ect. . cause think about this if he uses a 22oz. stick and 60inches long, and you use a 19oz. and 58inch stick and you hold the cue the way he does its not going to happen. there is a reason why he chose those specs, grip ,swing , ect. and it wasnt because he cant grip the cue cause of an accident or the strange stick he plays with now was the only stick left on the wall at the pool room in the fillipines so he had no choice. there are fundamentals that are a must to be a great player. some guys are taught by great players and some watch and figure it out. my strong oppinion is that efren has brought more advanced fundamentals to pool that will allow you to play better than players in our generation. and its not just knowledge only . the other advice is there are plenty of other champions out there that play incredible and use regular cues , swings , grips . .... please give feedback
not worth changing???? seems to me that everthing that you are doing wrong you know you are , and dont seem to care or mind. but my advice is if you are not getting better and you do care or mindEgg McDogit said:
then i suggest you experiment. whats the worst that can happen. you wont lose what you have but on the other hand , you might stumble on something and improve your game . i can say this efren, johnny, earl and many others didnt start out champions, and they are not just lucky to continue to be champions. they are doing something your not doing. yes they have talent but talent minus know how = 0... imo . your job is to figure out what they are doing. thats what they did to get good and it didnt come by spending two or three days a week in the poolroom . i dont think there is anything wrong with imitating a great players style,stroke, and the rest. i guarantee we all do it to some extent. i kinda think if the best players in the world all get really low then thats probaly one of the things that is a must. i mean personaly if i were to imitate a player and my goal was to be the best, then i would find him or her . that player for me would be efren. i have used every possible grip ,stance , bridge ,cue weight and many other things there is , and if your game is not improving and you have not done much experimenting then you are not doing all it takes to be a champion, if that is indeed your goal. if not being a champion isnt your goal then this thread doesnt apply to you. i was telling jimmy the other day that i never had a good hitting cue. i hit with other peoples cues and and every now and the i would hit with someones cue that i controlled the cue ball twice as good as i did with the one i was using. but they either would not sell it or wanted to much. i never would order a cue for fear that it would not hit the way i liked and i would be stuck with it. so i usualy ended up with a cuetech or some other cue that played pretty good till you loaded it with side english then i had to get used to the deflection which was not always the same. but i got used to it so mabye i will get lucky and find a solid cuesomeday . ok back to the point. to be honest efren's style,grip, stance ,ect. is different and unless someone uses those same thing he does , they will never be able to do the thigs he does i promise. so my advice is to befriend efren dig in his ear and study everything about his style cue stick,brige stance ect. . cause think about this if he uses a 22oz. stick and 60inches long, and you use a 19oz. and 58inch stick and you hold the cue the way he does its not going to happen. there is a reason why he chose those specs, grip ,swing , ect. and it wasnt because he cant grip the cue cause of an accident or the strange stick he plays with now was the only stick left on the wall at the pool room in the fillipines so he had no choice. there are fundamentals that are a must to be a great player. some guys are taught by great players and some watch and figure it out. my strong oppinion is that efren has brought more advanced fundamentals to pool that will allow you to play better than players in our generation. and its not just knowledge only . the other advice is there are plenty of other champions out there that play incredible and use regular cues , swings , grips . .... please give feedback
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