Chinese Pool International Professional League International Elite Tournament, Jun 16-24.

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MrEleganza

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Someone mentioned in the Bucharest Open thread how Alex Pagulayan is playing in a tournament in China rather than the Spanish Open, which sent me down a rabbit hole. I kinda like it when more than one high-level tournament is happening at the same time.

The tournament is the "International Elite Tournament" which is part of the "Chinese Pool International Professional League" and it's already started (June 16-24).

It's heyball/Chinese 8-ball. Top prize is the equivalent of $83K USD (!!) Across four tournaments, the total prize pool (source) for all places in all four tournaments of the "Chinese Pool International Professional League" is 20 million Chinese Yuan, which is nearly $2.8 million USD.

For this particular tournament, notables besides Pagulayan include Phone Myint Kyaw of Myanmar (beat Aloysius Yapp for 9-ball gold at the Southeast Asian Games, won gold in doubles too, will be at World Cup), American Ke Ning, and 54-year-old Brit Roger Leighton, who's another snooker convert and a former top 100 player in that sport.

Streaming and brackets are at the Facebook page here.
 
Is there any additional information on this? Based on Alex Pagulayan's facebook posts he made it to the final 16 but all of the brackets seem outdated/behind. I would love to follow along somehow...
 
How have I missed this lady? Tang Chunxiao ...... this 24 year old "phemale" phenom has been beating the top Chinese 8 ball players in the world for some time now - 2nd place in the World Grand Masters this past April. What an inspiration she could be to aspiring young American ladies ..... if they knew about her. Unless I've missed something, AZer's (including me) haven't recognized one of the biggest talents in the world. Seems odd if that's true. So I say ..... "Kudos to Tang Chunxiao"!
 
btal said:
How have I missed this lady? Tang Chunxiao ...... this 24 year old "phemale" phenom has been beating the top Chinese 8 ball players in the world for some time now - 2nd place in the World Grand Masters this past April. What an inspiration she could be to aspiring young American ladies ..... if they knew about her. Unless I've missed something, AZer's (including me) haven't recognized one of the biggest talents in the world. Seems odd if that's true. So I say ..... "Kudos to Tang Chunxiao"!
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she is very talented, but the handicap female players get is imo not right.
 
skogstokig said:
she is very talented, but the handicap female players get is imo not right.
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Do you mean the handicaps are inaccurate? Or do you mean you're against female players getting handicaps on principle?
If the latter, how do you feel about handicapped games based on Fargo Rate?
 
MrEleganza said:
Do you mean the handicaps are inaccurate? Or do you mean you're against female players getting handicaps on principle?
If the latter, how do you feel about handicapped games based on Fargo Rate?
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i'm against hcp in principle for professional tournaments. these are pros. the handicap itself is of course both inaccurate AND irrational. do you think all female players are exactly one ball short of all male players? that would be inaccurate. it's irrational because in pool there's nothing physical keeping women from running out or breaking up in-game clusters. the physical shortcomings of women are related to the break, not gameplay. and even there we have exceptions like siming chen, who has a solid break.
 
skogstokig said:
she is very talented, but the handicap female players get is imo not right.
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Wasn't even aware of the one ball handicap "before the 8 ball". I watched her final 16 match and swear that she had her last ball on the table. It then became a safety battle. I watched other games in the same match and didn't see any handicap usage. I will say that I didn't watch them all. I will also swear that my observing ability is wonting anymore. LOL. Could that handicap not be imposed anymore for her? But knowing me ....... it hasn't been.
 
btal said:
Wasn't even aware of the one ball handicap "before the 8 ball". I watched her final 16 match and swear that she had her last ball on the table. It then became a safety battle. I watched other games in the same match and didn't see any handicap usage. I will say that I didn't watch them all. I will also swear that my observing ability is wonting anymore. LOL. Could that handicap not be imposed anymore for her? But knowing me ....... it hasn't been.
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In the games I watched, the ball isn't removed until one of the last two has been sunk for position on the 8. Many scenarios can produce <one before the eight> play.
Player blows key ball position and has to pocket the other ball and play defense.
Player blows the key ball but still has situational cover and a defensive posture ensues.
One of the remaining balls was invisible to you and player was maneuvering for a better pattern.
Both players were girls. etc...
 
One more that requires someone with specific knowledge;
If the opposing player manages to pocket your key ball, you may have to swallow.
 
straightline said:
In the games I watched, the ball isn't removed until one of the last two has been sunk for position on the 8. Many scenarios can produce <one before the eight> play.
Player blows key ball position and has to pocket the other ball and play defense.
Player blows the key ball but still has situational cover and a defensive posture ensues.
One of the remaining balls was invisible to you and player was maneuvering for a better pattern.
Both players were girls. etc...
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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=213699707769344
Watched the game at 8-4. (link above) I'm confused ..... normally am. Please explain. Is the one ball handicap "optional".
 
If you have FB do a search of Tang Chunxiao to find the link. Since you watched it you may not need to. Anyway, maybe I'm not understanding your explanation "Straightline".
 
straightline said:
One more that requires someone with specific knowledge;
If the opposing player manages to pocket your key ball, you may have to swallow.
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Of all the games she won (other than the one you point out where her opponent pocketed her 2nd to last ball) she ran out "all" of the balls. Sometimes she played shots I never would have, to do it. In one instance particularly, she could have made it easier by using the one ball handicap rule. She didn't. I must assume the rule is an optional one that she obviously must not "like" to use (if it exists for her). Either way ...... Fearless, I would say. What a talent!
 
btal said:
Wasn't even aware of the one ball handicap "before the 8 ball". I watched her final 16 match and swear that she had her last ball on the table. It then became a safety battle. I watched other games in the same match and didn't see any handicap usage. I will say that I didn't watch them all. I will also swear that my observing ability is wonting anymore. LOL. Could that handicap not be imposed anymore for her? But knowing me ....... it hasn't been.
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hmm. the handicap did apply to her in the big tournament some months ago. also i'm fairly sure i saw kelly play with the handicap in this event (or the qualifier to it).. is tang the only female player left?
 
I hope they have shirts made for that event so people can spend 3 minutes trying to read it and still be confused about what they read.
It's like "High School Musical: The Musical: The Series"
 
btal said:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=213699707769344
Watched the game at 8-4. (link above) I'm confused ..... normally am. Please explain. Is the one ball handicap "optional".
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Started watching this game. @ 11:00 she shoots the two and comes up short to key off the 7. She then banks the 3 into position as an alternate key ball. More safety. @ 18:00 or so I see what you mean now. She is left with the 3 and 7 and is forced to shoot both. It's possible in the Elite division, no spot is allowed or the spot is void after an unsuccessful attempt. Probably the former.
 
straightline said:
Yeah in the very next game she went for the complete run. Elite division...
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Thanks. The handicap is strictly for tier one from what I looked at. 2nd place for this lady in April against the best of the best in that discipline ..... on "those" tables. Impressive is an understatement in the female world of pool. Let alone the male.
 
btal said:
Thanks. The handicap is strictly for tier one from what I looked at. 2nd place for this lady in April against the best of the best in that discipline ..... on "those" tables. Impressive is an understatement in the female world of pool. Let alone the male.
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Try this for confusing.

https://inf.news/en/sport/9a59f11879acf4f9c7cb7d37127512a5.html

On March 28th, the 2022 Joe Cup Chinese Billiards Masters (Class A competition, Haikou Beaumont Station) ushered in a fierce competition of 64 and 32. The female player Tang Chunxiao successfully entered the top 32 of the Masters with her outstanding performance.

After walking off the field, Tang Chunxiao hurriedly took out bread and ham from his backpack and started eating. Obviously, to prepare for the game, she didn't even have time to eat lunch. Diligent study and hard training, sleepless nights and nights, the billiards road is full of thorns for men, but this stubborn Hunan girl just came over.
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