Cloth Glue

billy-ks

billy-ks

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Reading different entries, I get the impression that spray glue is not recommended for installing table cloth. I have a small pool hall in eastern Iowa that has 11 valley tables. I bought the place three years ago and when the previous owner showed me how to cover tables, 3m 77 was the only glue that he would use so I continue to use it. I would like to know what other glue a person could use that you could apply with a roller so you could get rid of the mess the spray glues can make.
Also I have two GC1. I have rerbber the rails on one of them and am in the process of doing the other right now. My cloth supplier recommends useing Scotch 3M 10 contact addhesive. Is this wrong????

Thanks for any input
 
billy-ks said:
Reading different entries, I get the impression that spray glue is not recommended for installing table cloth. I have a small pool hall in eastern Iowa that has 11 valley tables. I bought the place three years ago and when the previous owner showed me how to cover tables, 3m 77 was the only glue that he would use so I continue to use it. I would like to know what other glue a person could use that you could apply with a roller so you could get rid of the mess the spray glues can make.
Also I have two GC1. I have rerbber the rails on one of them and am in the process of doing the other right now. My cloth supplier recommends useing Scotch 3M 10 contact addhesive. Is this wrong????

Thanks for any input
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Your cloth supplier wouldn't happen to be Simonis would it? It's called Scotch Grip neutral 10, made by 3M. I pioneered the use of this glue for installing cloth on pool tables over 23yrs ago. I'm the one that showed it to Diamond, and how to use it, who showed it to Simonis...and so on...LOL

But, still use spray 77 to finish off the pocket flaps. If you call Diamond, I think they still have a video of me installing the bed cloth on the TV table during the DCC 2001...in somewhere around 8 minutes or so...LOL

It's tricky to use, so be careful.

Glen
 
Thanks for replying Glen. No my cloth supplier isn't Simonis. Although they carry it, they mostly sell Championship, which is the only thing I use. I think the tournament 3030 is a lot more durable than Simonis. One day I covered two tables, one with Simonis and the other with Championship. In one week, I had 5 holes in the Simonis. I personnaly think Simonis rolls more true but the wearability is more important to me.
When you roll the neutral 10 out on the table, do you also roll it on the edge of the cloth?
Also I have been useing 3m 74 foam fast for the pocket flaps. It seemd to tackup better and hold the cloth mor firm.
 
billy-ks said:
One day I covered two tables, one with Simonis and the other with Championship. In one week, I had 5 holes in the Simonis. I personnaly think Simonis rolls more true but the wearability is more important to me.

When you roll the neutral 10 out on the table, do you also roll it on the edge of the cloth?


Also I have been useing 3m 74 foam fast for the pocket flaps. It seemd to tackup better and hold the cloth mor firm.
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Check and replace the tips on your cues, any cloth will nick with bad tips on your cues, even your customers cues need tips replaced sooner or later. All it takes is one back cue tip in one customers hands to start getting the nicks in the cloth.

Yes, that's why it's called contact cement...LOL...sorry:D

Spray 77 is better for the pockets, as well as the rails to eliminate all those staples.

Glen

PS. I'm talking bar box rails here guys...LOL:rolleyes: And by the way, Fred at Championship and I have talked about sometime in the future making an instructional video as to how to recover pool tables the way I do using my 3M Scotchgrip Neutral 10 glueing system...but I haven't made any commitment as of yet...to anyone...LOL:D
 
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Glen, I would be interested in buying one of your first instructional books or videos when they are available. I would love to try your gluing method but I am so used to doing it the traditional way. I would have to watch someone do it to understand the correct pattern. I noticed them doing it at the Diamond factory but it was a walk-thru and didn't want to ask particulars. I guess I felt a little awkward being an Olhausen dealer.

A month later I was at the old Olhausen factory in San Diego, CA and heard them say Butch Olhausen and Greg Sullivan was touring the factory or visiting?
 
Poolschool said:
Glen, I would be interested in buying one of your first instructional books or videos when they are available. I would love to try your gluing method but I am so used to doing it the traditional way. I would have to watch someone do it to understand the correct pattern. I noticed them doing it at the Diamond factory but it was a walk-thru and didn't want to ask particulars. I guess I felt a little awkward being an Olhausen dealer.

A month later I was at the old Olhausen factory in San Diego, CA and heard them say Butch Olhausen and Greg Sullivan was touring the factory or visiting?
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The Diamond technicians can only show you what they've learned from me, which is the how of installing cloth with glue on the Diamond slates with Simonis, not the why. If you don't understand the why part of the method, then you can't apply the method to all other types of cloths, on all other types of tables...I can and will help you with that shortly.

Glen
 
Yeah I definitely know what your saying... I am really looking forward to learning that method. I hate staples... LOL!!!
 
Poolschool said:
Yeah I definitely know what your saying... I am really looking forward to learning that method. I hate staples... LOL!!!
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I hate replacing backer boards on 3 piece slates that are perfectly level just because the backer boards are missing, or stapled out and won't hold anymore staples...what a nightmare!;)
 
Poolschool said:
Yeah I definitely know what your saying... I am really looking forward to learning that method. I hate staples... LOL!!!
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I hate replacing backer boards on 3 piece slates that are perfectly level just because the backer boards are missing, or stapled out and won't hold anymore staples...what a nightmare!;) and with just about all the pool table manufactures today using mdf for backer boards...that's going to be a real nightmare in about the next 5 years or so after the sale of the tables in commercial environments.
 
Imagine what some of the older tables would look like if they had your method many years ago. That old wood is extremely stable...
 
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