Cold rackers...

Banker Burt

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The endless woes of the rack will never end, it's just not a perfect world.

But with this said, add this factor to the game - what should we do to overcome those that purposely choose to "Cold Rack" their opponent? I call this phase One of the cheater's guide to winning.

Yes we can check the rack, but the imposing player will then move on to phase Two of the guide, and stall the breaker as long as possible.

Then phase Three kicks in, and they say, well, you rack 'em! Which immediately leads to phase Four, they don't like your rack either. Now we finally call over the tournament director who racks the balls that neither player can check, and the game finally get's under way.

Meanwhile, the cheater has accomplished his goal, in breaking the concentration and flow of the game for the breaker.

We have all been around, and yes I am the first to know that a player must learn to overcome this weekness - letting the actions of your opponent disrupt your concentration and affect your play, but being from old school poolrooms, this is what I remember -

It was a gentlemen's game, and if the gentlemen lost to a cheater, he would grasciously leave the room, and know he must become stronger; also knowing that he HAS another day.

The cheater would leave "On top of the world...", and would end up laying somewhere out back of the room in a buddle of mud, with a couple of guys standing over him.

If you escaped unscathed it was probably because of a car and a clean quick getaway, but you are only lucky if you never do what you just did again. If you choose to use the same tactics the next time you match up, the odds of that mud puddle would double against you - if you were to win.

This follows the order of playing cards before there were cars. You couldn't make a clean getaway, and go off to some far away place to hide. So if you tried to cheat, you'd be shot on the spot.

I am not condoning retaliation, I am only saying that in this very real world there are people that will still do great harm to you if you're caught cheating them.

think about it...

What inspired me to write this was my thinking about this forum and the discussions about handicapping. On my way to a tough weekly open tournament (that I have played in for the better part of 30+ years), I win two matches only to get cold racked TWICE by some kid less than 20 years old (and who can flat play) and say to myself, what are our youth learning about playing pool?

Now that this old American-Irish poolplayer has thought about it, maybe the mud-puddle approach isn't such a bad idea. I sometimes wish it was the fifities and sixties again, we would have a better game.

Forget the hadicap, play the game straight. See how far you can go. As to my knowledge, there is no person who cannot reach the top of their level, and then work towards the next. I grew up with the "C","B", "A", semi-pro and then a pro rating. And when cheaters came around, they didn't stick around for very long.

Seems like a solid approach to improving...
 

catscradle

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Banker Burt said:
... And when cheaters came around, they didn't stick around for very long.

Seems like a solid approach to improving...

And so who defines what is "cheating"? So somebody is pissed off he lost and decides the other guy must be cheating and has the crap beat out of the other guy. How many times in your pool lifetime has somebody thought you were cheating, sharking, or sandbagging when you weren't? Quite a few I'd bet. Would you have been understanding if one of those other guys had you beat up because he thought you were cheating.
That kind of dilemna seems to explain why the court system with all it's faults has evolved.
 

tjmckinn

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I don't know, cold rackers never really bothered me much. Usually, if a guy is trying to shark me with his racking shenanigans, I already know he's probably not going to win the match. If he's got to revert to sharking techniques, then his concentration on pool is going to be severely diminished and if I just take advantage of it, I'll usually win. I just try to have fun with the crowd or with the people at the pool room while he's racking. Then he's just distracting himself.

Travis
 

satman

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I play a lot of bar tables and we all know they rack poorly due to the abuse of every one who can pick up a cue. I always try to give my opponents the best possible rack I can, a rack like I would expect in return. I have been accused of giving poor racks, but it is usually by a poor loser. I've played some guys who try to cheat people with bad racks, sharking, throwing things. The best thing we can do for these people is run out, run out, run out. Send them home busted and explain to them to learn to play pool. Sam
 

Phylbert57

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satman said:
I play a lot of bar tables and we all know they rack poorly due to the abuse of every one who can pick up a cue. I always try to give my opponents the best possible rack I can, a rack like I would expect in return. I have been accused of giving poor racks, but it is usually by a poor loser. I've played some guys who try to cheat people with bad racks, sharking, throwing things. The best thing we can do for these people is run out, run out, run out. Send them home busted and explain to them to learn to play pool. Sam


That is a good idea. Wish I could send them home busted!! I play in leagues now and a LOT of the players abuse the tables. I play in a pool room with 9 ft tables as well as bar boxes and it just really gets under my skin when I see some kid (not always a kid but younger than I am) pound the head ball into the spot to get the ball to stay there. I have asked people not to do that to the table but the damage is already done. Same with sitting on the rails.

Then try to get a good rack and it has to be adjusted to fit the hole in the table. Really bad news but I still rack until it's right. Sometimes that takes a little doing. I will wait for a good rack rather than playing one where the 1 ball rolls out 1/8" from the pack!!

I have been in bars that the rails are so bent down that if you hit the ball into them with any speed at all, it will fly off the table. Then it is the ones who do this to the table that are wondering why. Just dumb.


Phyllis Gumphrey
 

Banker Burt

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Thanks for your responses.

Yes I have been accused of sharking, even to the extent that my opponent said I was purposely not talking to distract him (and yes I beat him, and for that reason it seemed he was looking for any excuse possible for his losing, and the no talking was his best effort).

Anyone that knows me though, knows I never talk during a match because I do not want to say a single word, or make any movement avoiding the possibility of distracting my opponent.

I consider myself a gentleman and for the most part our sport a gentlemen's game. I made reference to the mud-puddle with tongue in cheek, but with a suggestive undertone that we are all intellegent people and can tell the difference between unintentional and then the intentional moves that are made on us during matches.

My intent was to hear your reaction to cold rackers, not the inadvertent poor rack that can and will happen, but what to do when it is obvious the player is doing it on purpose. You know the players I am talking about, they can slice a ball down a rail from the opposite end of the table, but they can't tell that the front three balls are not frozen?

Even if we rack our own, the cheater simple begins his work at phase Two.
There really isn't an answer to fix this dilemma, only to hopefully teach our young players how this is a form of cheating and to be careful not to follow the tactics of the undesirables; who never stick around for long anyway.
 

Phylbert57

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Banker Burt said:
Thanks for your responses.

Yes I have been accused of sharking, even to the extent that my opponent said I was purposely not talking to distract him (and yes I beat him, and for that reason it seemed he was looking for any excuse possible for his losing, and the no talking was his best effort).

Anyone that knows me though, knows I never talk during a match because I do not want to say a single word, or make any movement avoiding the possibility of distracting my opponent.

I consider myself a gentleman and for the most part our sport a gentlemen's game. I made reference to the mud-puddle with tongue in cheek, but with a suggestive undertone that we are all intellegent people and can tell the difference between unintentional and then the intentional moves that are made on us during matches.

My intent was to hear your reaction to cold rackers, not the inadvertent poor rack that can and will happen, but what to do when it is obvious the player is doing it on purpose. You know the players I am talking about, they can slice a ball down a rail from the opposite end of the table, but they can't tell that the front three balls are not frozen?

Even if we rack our own, the cheater simple begins his work at phase Two.
There really isn't an answer to fix this dilemma, only to hopefully teach our young players how this is a form of cheating and to be careful not to follow the tactics of the undesirables; who never stick around for long anyway.




I know what you mean. Even in the leagues - AMATURE LEAGUES, there are a few (just in my room) that you have to watch like a hawk or they will thumb the rack. I get pretty vocal about it if I see it but they are pretty slick.

THese are the same ones who will be the coach, stand in front of the table and MIRACULOUSLY - the balls that had been frozen are no longer frozen. I have taken to now watching the coaching very carefully! :mad:

Phyllis Gumphrey
 
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