Compression Discs between the Tip & Ferrule

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Recently been seeing a bunch of player with what I call COMPRESSION Discs between their Tips, and Ferrules. What is the Purpose of this Disc, what are they made of and what are they suppose to accomplish. :confused:
 
Bruce S. de Lis said:
Recently been seeing a bunch of player with what I call COMPRESSION Discs between their Tips, and Ferrules. What is the Purpose of this Disc, what are they made of and what are they suppose to accomplish. :confused:


It stops the ivory from cracking I think.I only have them on my shafts that have ivory ferrels
 
Bruce S. de Lis said:
Recently been seeing a bunch of player with what I call COMPRESSION Discs between their Tips, and Ferrules. What is the Purpose of this Disc, what are they made of and what are they suppose to accomplish. :confused:

they are called pads. they protect the ferrule. usually you will only see these on ivory ferrules.

i personally don't use them. i haven't had any problems with my ivory ferrules. and it does make the tip look bigger, and i'm not a fan of a tall tip.

VAP
 
vapoolplayer said:
they are called pads. they protect the ferrule. usually you will only see these on ivory ferrules.

i personally don't use them. i haven't had any problems with my ivory ferrules. and it does make the tip look bigger, and i'm not a fan of a tall tip.

VAP


Just as you can have the tip taken down in size, those pads can also be sanded down a little to not be quite as bulky. Then again, you could also have your tip taken down another layer or two to compensate for the pad. (ever think of that?) duuuh..... :p
 
Bruce S. de Lis said:
Recently been seeing a bunch of player with what I call COMPRESSION Discs between their Tips, and Ferrules. What is the Purpose of this Disc, what are they made of and what are they suppose to accomplish. :confused:
As I understand it: these these pads are in place to prevent a ferrule from 'ripping' apart when a tip mushrooms. This was a concern with one piece tips that had a tendency to mushroom dramatically. Newer layered tips do not suffer from this problem, and the fiber pads are not necessary.

-td
 
Bruce S. de Lis said:
Recently been seeing a bunch of player with what I call COMPRESSION Discs between their Tips, and Ferrules. What is the Purpose of this Disc, what are they made of and what are they suppose to accomplish. :confused:

Fiber pad. Some love em and some hate em. I love em. I have been using them even on non ivory ferrules for a while now. When you change a tip you just face off a little of the pad and glue on the new tip, trim to the pad and burnish. You haven't got near the ferrule with the cutting tool, razor blade or sandpaper. You can change your tip many times and never touch the ferrule. Plus they do offer some protection against expanding tips cracking the ferrule.
 
A ferrule will NOT rip apart when a tip mushrooms.
The ferrule can become damaged from a severely worn tip or from excess shock.
A fiber pad reduces the likelihood of damage.

Troy
td873 said:
As I understand it: these these pads are in place to prevent a ferrule from 'ripping' apart when a tip mushrooms. This was a concern with one piece tips that had a tendency to mushroom dramatically. Newer layered tips do not suffer from this problem, and the fiber pads are not necessary.

-td
 
Troy said:
A ferrule will NOT rip apart when a tip mushrooms.
The ferrule can become damaged from a severely worn tip or from excess shock.
A fiber pad reduces the likelihood of damage.

Troy
As you mentioned, a ferrule can become damaged due to a worn tip. However, as it was relayed to me by a prestigious cue maker at the DCC this year, the fiber pad is a product of a bygone era where tips would mushroom and the shear forces could cause ivory to crack, or cause the tip to pop off (an added benefit was protecting the ferrule from worn tips). As he explained, if you think of a tip as a disk, it would expand in all directions when it mushroomed. If it was glued properly, it could cause an ivory ferrule to crack (i.e., "rip"), or break the ferrule/tip bond and the tip would just fall off.

I believe that the shock absorbing and shield effect provided by the pads is secondary to preventing the more dramatic effects illustrated above.

Blud has been around for a while, why not ask him?

-td

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Actually, Blud has answered this on AZ more than once: the fiber pads were used years ago to keep ivory ferrules from cracking...
Blud said:
The pad was used in the past and put on to keep the ferrule from cracking.
From thread: http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=5080&highlight=fiber
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Blud said:
These were used with ivory ferrules many years ago. Some cuemakers still use them.
This was to keep the ivory from developing a crack.
From thread: http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=1615&highlight=fiber

A post by Sheldon also supports this:
Sheldon said:
The fiber pads are to eliminate lateral force on the ferrule. As a tip wears and mushrooms, it might theoretically put outward pressure upon the ferrule causing it to crack.
From thread:http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=10766&highlight=fiber
 
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I'll give you only one reason why I like a pad. When the tip is replaced, it's cut off to the pad. The ferrule is never touched.

Rod
 
why or how would it crack?

What makes it any different from other ferrules, with regard to using the disc? Is'nt the best type of ferrule?
 
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