The rooms cost is not all that high as it includes paying their table mechanic and the cost of the Sardo's. The Sardo's are a fraction of the cost of the older ones. The new ones only weigh 1 1/2 lbs and don't need to have the table marred with divots and are a great improvement over the old ones. They, Sardo, are currently back ordered and I don't think 14 racks are going to affect their business one way or the other. During the Hard Times qualifier I didn't see anybody having a problem racking. The owners didn't have any staffing costs other than their usual people as the IPT runs the tournament and very professionally I might add. The owners who are running the room are businessmen and were not coerced into having the IPT qualifier in their room. It was a business decision.spw62 said:
Congrats to George Breedlove!
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You can’t compare hard times to country club USA hard times had microwave food and country club has a full kitchen and a club with live entertainment for the players.
A place of that size has to double its staff to keep things moving along and make everyone happy this place is five star in the billiard event business
And for those SARDO racks once you use it on a table it puts divots in a table and when you try to rack with a regular rack to play 9ball the balls don’t rack tight ask the pro players who tried to and went back to the simonis 860 for there action after the event was over, Country club was open 24 hours with players Abood & frost playing one hole till 2pm on Monday and not on the crappy cloth there was 5 more matches playing all night and none played on the IPT stuff because without playing 8ball and using that SARDO rack the balls would not rack tight.
PS: Frost left with a big smile on monday!!
A place of that size has to double its staff to keep things moving along and make everyone happy this place is five star in the billiard event business
And for those SARDO racks once you use it on a table it puts divots in a table and when you try to rack with a regular rack to play 9ball the balls don’t rack tight ask the pro players who tried to and went back to the simonis 860 for there action after the event was over, Country club was open 24 hours with players Abood & frost playing one hole till 2pm on Monday and not on the crappy cloth there was 5 more matches playing all night and none played on the IPT stuff because without playing 8ball and using that SARDO rack the balls would not rack tight.
PS: Frost left with a big smile on monday!!
Room Cost ?
How much do you think the IPT payes for its rental cost at a vegas Casino ? so not to pay the room owners for the time or effort i think you will see them have a hard time getting rooms in the future.
The country club charges $10. spectators fee for all big events but they didnt get the same crowds as the Camel Pro Series took in,(Camel Series was standing room only because all the best players in the world attended for a week long Event thats how a room owner made money) I think that may be because all the big names that that most people know are in the IPT already so what was the big draw card?
As for room cost a room like Country Club USA has 40 or more tables and the must loose $2000. to $3000. a day over a 3 day weekend when all the kids are out of school because the room is all reserved for them and to not get payed for the use of the room by the IPT thats gotta hurt!Gerald said:
How much do you think the IPT payes for its rental cost at a vegas Casino ? so not to pay the room owners for the time or effort i think you will see them have a hard time getting rooms in the future.
The country club charges $10. spectators fee for all big events but they didnt get the same crowds as the Camel Pro Series took in,(Camel Series was standing room only because all the best players in the world attended for a week long Event thats how a room owner made money) I think that may be because all the big names that that most people know are in the IPT already so what was the big draw card?
Williebetmore said:
Class Act all the way! George will be a great asset to the IPT, I was rooting for him to win from the start. Now if we can just get Jeanette on the tour
KARMA: "Do good things and good things will happen to you"
Cost versus Investment
While some would call this a cost, those less myopic would say it's an investment in the future. If the IPT takes off, the room would have the "birthplace of the IPT" thing going for it. Hard to say how much that would be worth down the road.
Short term thinking is what's caused pool to be in its current place pre-IPT. Time to shift thinking, IMHO.
Brian in VA
spw62 said:
While some would call this a cost, those less myopic would say it's an investment in the future. If the IPT takes off, the room would have the "birthplace of the IPT" thing going for it. Hard to say how much that would be worth down the road.
Short term thinking is what's caused pool to be in its current place pre-IPT. Time to shift thinking, IMHO.
Brian in VA
Brian in VA said:
Tap, Tap, Tap.
This is an excellent point Brian.
These rooms have already been mentioned in every pool forum and they will be mentioned in every billiards magazine. What would that kind of advertising cost them?
Saying that this is a good investment, is an understatement.
Rooms like Country Club USA dont need the Free Advertising they have been around for 16 years and they are already know around the world by every top player and as for and as for billiard magazines how many regular every day people read them?
if the IPT would have ran tv spots to let the people in on where the events took place now thats priceless!
when IPT starts to show there tv series that will help pool rooms but so many rooms around the country are on the brink of closing that if they were to hold an event like country club usa did that the loss of money may have push them over the edge.
Country Club looks like a very strong company and has not sufferd very much with the decrease in pool customers.
alot of smaller rooms have closed and rooms like Country Club USA get the pool action from the rooms that have closed.
PS: Don't get me wrong the IPT is the greatest thing that has happend to pool and i hope its here to stay.because this will start the new generation of pool players just like when the movie the Color of money came out in the 80s pool rooms started popping up all over the country.
if the IPT would have ran tv spots to let the people in on where the events took place now thats priceless!
when IPT starts to show there tv series that will help pool rooms but so many rooms around the country are on the brink of closing that if they were to hold an event like country club usa did that the loss of money may have push them over the edge.
Country Club looks like a very strong company and has not sufferd very much with the decrease in pool customers.
alot of smaller rooms have closed and rooms like Country Club USA get the pool action from the rooms that have closed.
PS: Don't get me wrong the IPT is the greatest thing that has happend to pool and i hope its here to stay.because this will start the new generation of pool players just like when the movie the Color of money came out in the 80s pool rooms started popping up all over the country.
Advertising
If I understand what you wrote here, and I'm not sure I do, you're saying that a room could be close to closing and the cost of putting on an IPT qualifier could put them over the edge and force them to close. Why would they hold the event then? They should continue the death spiral with no chance to pullout and "hope" things got better instead of taking a chance at making it better by holding an event or advertising? Or are you saying the IPT should have helped them out by paying the table time and expenses? Maybe they did. Did you negotiate the contract? Perhaps the owner recognized it as a way to build his business in the future. Perhaps he wanted to take a loss for tax reasons.
There are a number of reasons why rooms close but the biggest one will always be poor treatment of customers, the same in any business. The best advertising in the world will get a customer into your place of business only once if you don't take care of them.
Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread but customer service and intelligent business decisions are both something I'm passionate about. I have to live them every day.
Brian in VA - hoping for a rebirth in customer service and in pool!
spw62 said:
If I understand what you wrote here, and I'm not sure I do, you're saying that a room could be close to closing and the cost of putting on an IPT qualifier could put them over the edge and force them to close. Why would they hold the event then? They should continue the death spiral with no chance to pullout and "hope" things got better instead of taking a chance at making it better by holding an event or advertising? Or are you saying the IPT should have helped them out by paying the table time and expenses? Maybe they did. Did you negotiate the contract? Perhaps the owner recognized it as a way to build his business in the future. Perhaps he wanted to take a loss for tax reasons.
There are a number of reasons why rooms close but the biggest one will always be poor treatment of customers, the same in any business. The best advertising in the world will get a customer into your place of business only once if you don't take care of them.
Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread but customer service and intelligent business decisions are both something I'm passionate about. I have to live them every day.
Brian in VA - hoping for a rebirth in customer service and in pool!
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onepocketchump
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spw62 said:
I am sure that Dave Cuhna, the owner of Country Club USA was not at all worried about whether he was going to "make money" by holding this qualifier. He has always supported pro pool and this is no exception. I am positive that the prestige of holding one of the IPT's inaugural year qualifiers was the prize for Dave. Apparently, Ken at Hard Times was incredibly pleased with the turnout as I am sure Dave was as well.
John
How would holding such an event be a monetary *loss* for a pool hall? Other than the loss of table fees for the tables being used, I only see it as an upside - lots more people in the place during the event, those people buying food & drink.
Surely such events don't charge the venues to host for them, do they?
As far as the IPT goes, and the qualifiers of late - what with the specific cloth being used - who's been fronting the cost of that (cloth costs, labor installing the cloth)? The IPT or the venues?
Surely such events don't charge the venues to host for them, do they?
As far as the IPT goes, and the qualifiers of late - what with the specific cloth being used - who's been fronting the cost of that (cloth costs, labor installing the cloth)? The IPT or the venues?
yrraltsafone
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George is a credit to the game, he belongs, that is good.
I doubt they had to buy the Sardo racks. 1) They go for $60, not $200;
http://www.internationalpooltour.com/ipt_content/equipment/default.asp#rack
and 2), Leo Sardo himself was at the Atlanta qualifier, bringing out the racks in boxes and taking them away as best as I could tell. Considering his being there and his handling the racks before/after match play, I would wager he brought them for the event and that the venue in question didn't have to buy them - why else would he be handling them like he was? John at the Pool Room could confirm this, and he's a user on these forums (thebestpoolroom is his nickname, I believe). And if I recall correctly (and I may be wrong), they had twelve tables set up with the slower cloth for the Atlanta qualifier. (Could have been fourteen, but pretty sure it was twelve.)
Now labor - the venue isn't going to be paying for the IPT labor, that's silly. They will be paying for their own labor, to be sure - but again, like I said, they've got a lot more people in the venue at the time, buying more food and drinks - so increased labor costs would be defrayed, I'd think.
http://www.internationalpooltour.com/ipt_content/equipment/default.asp#rack
and 2), Leo Sardo himself was at the Atlanta qualifier, bringing out the racks in boxes and taking them away as best as I could tell. Considering his being there and his handling the racks before/after match play, I would wager he brought them for the event and that the venue in question didn't have to buy them - why else would he be handling them like he was? John at the Pool Room could confirm this, and he's a user on these forums (thebestpoolroom is his nickname, I believe). And if I recall correctly (and I may be wrong), they had twelve tables set up with the slower cloth for the Atlanta qualifier. (Could have been fourteen, but pretty sure it was twelve.)
Now labor - the venue isn't going to be paying for the IPT labor, that's silly. They will be paying for their own labor, to be sure - but again, like I said, they've got a lot more people in the venue at the time, buying more food and drinks - so increased labor costs would be defrayed, I'd think.
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onepocketchump
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spw62 said:
I don't really know him so you might be right. Who the **** cares though? It was held there, players showed up, spectators showed up and once again the IPT PROVED it could get a room to put up a tournament where a stellar field of contestants would put up MORE entry fee money than the US Open for a CHANCE to play on a startup tour.
I for one am not in the least worried about the room owners. They know what they are doing and why. So, if you REALLY know Dave then why do you care how he came out financially?
John
