It's interesting and if it's legal, he shouldn't be penalized for doing it. Shows a lot of thought, but it didn't win him the matches and if you don't sink the wing ball, then let your opponent push out, you're in trouble against pro level players.
Corey Deuel Controversial 10-Ball break at SBE
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If he didn't blow it and foul on the break a bunch of times against SVB, alternate break he would have been in the match.
Certainly tortured Dechaine with it.
Don't see anything wrong with it. Unless someone is gonna jump at the 1ball, he is guaranteeing himself a return visit to the table if he doesn't make the 1 and position on the 2 if he makes it.
As far as I am concerned, that's a pretty smart option if you aren't always making balls on the break, and are basically blasting them wide open just so your opponent can run them out.
Only reason they are playing 10ball nowadays IN THE FIRST PLACE is because Corey destroyed the traditional thinking on the 9ball break with his soft break years ago.
And then they made a whole bunch of rules to kill the advantage it gave him, to make it fair for the other players that couldn't adjust, or who couldn't stop themselves from smashing the balls wide open, who cried when he destroyed them by creampuffing the break.
Pretty sure Corey would have won a lot more tournaments if everyone didn't get their undies in a wad over it, and change the rules against him.
Certainly tortured Dechaine with it.
Don't see anything wrong with it. Unless someone is gonna jump at the 1ball, he is guaranteeing himself a return visit to the table if he doesn't make the 1 and position on the 2 if he makes it.
As far as I am concerned, that's a pretty smart option if you aren't always making balls on the break, and are basically blasting them wide open just so your opponent can run them out.
Only reason they are playing 10ball nowadays IN THE FIRST PLACE is because Corey destroyed the traditional thinking on the 9ball break with his soft break years ago.
And then they made a whole bunch of rules to kill the advantage it gave him, to make it fair for the other players that couldn't adjust, or who couldn't stop themselves from smashing the balls wide open, who cried when he destroyed them by creampuffing the break.
Pretty sure Corey would have won a lot more tournaments if everyone didn't get their undies in a wad over it, and change the rules against him.
You make a good point
I keep hearing how creative Cory is, but I don't see him beating anybody? Winning any events or being mentioned among the top players?
I keep hearing how creative Cory is, but I don't see him beating anybody? Winning any events or being mentioned among the top players?
I would contend that the reason that he pulls these stunts is because he knows that he will never be the number one player in the world. He knows it deep down, so he is trying to win and to make a name for himself via the "creative" route.
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Creativity is only one component of overall skill.
Although I agree that Corey is extremely creative,
I respectfully disagree with you that Deuel would be
THE best player in the world had he focused on pool.
When did he NOT? He's always played pool.
In fact, he also played a little snooker, which should have benefited him.
Not everyone who "focuses" on pool stands to be the best in the world.
Certainly not Corey.
We shouldn't confuse creativity with actual skill.
They are two different dynamics. Think trick shots vs. actual competition.
It's just my opinion, but I don't think Corey is living the clean and healthy life.
I have the impression that he has gone through life without good direction.
Yes, he learned some good pool from Jimmy Caras, but don't be fooled by appearances,
I don't think he is "all there" when it comes to his actual life.
I do admit that he could have been a better player had he had some good guidance.
I think he has wasted a few years not focusing on his life alongside pool.
He's still young. He should go to school and get another skill besides pool.
His constant "bucking the pool system" gives me the impression he is a bit "lost" within the pool profession.
Unfortunately, I think in a few years he will be out of the pool scene completely.
Just my gut feeling.
Someone assure me my feelings are totally wrong.
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It's standard practice for snooker, 14.1, and 1 Pocket, are you saying players of those games are less than honourable?
Being a 7 time Mosconi Cup player and winning the following events is not "beating anybody or enough to be considered a "top player???
2013 Derby City One Pocket Champion
2013 United States National Snooker Championship
2010 Turning Stone classic XVI Champion
2007 Gabriels Open Professional Players Champion[8]
2007 Space Coast Open winner[8]
2007 Bob Martin Memorial winner[8]
2007 Jacksonville Open winner[8]
2006 Mosconi Cup, winning team member[13]
2006 Relay for Life Nine-Ball Invitational Charity Benefit winner[14]
2005 UPA Pro Tour Champion[14]
2005 Fast Eddie's Nine-ball Tour Stop, Open Division winner[14]
2004 Derby City Classic Ring Game winner[15]
2004 Predator Central Florida Ring Game winner[15]
2004 ESPN Sudden Death Seven-ball winner[15]
2004 Seminole Florida Pro Tour Stop winner[15]
2002 IBC Tour Stop 1 winner (Shirahima, Japan)[16]
2002 UPA Atlanta Pro Open winner[16]
2001 US Open Nine-ball Championship[17]
2001 Greater Columbus Open, Open Division winner[17]
2001 Reno Open Nine-ball Champion[17]
2001 BCA Open Nine-ball Champion, Men's Division[17]
2001 ESPN Sudden Death Seven-ball winner[17]
2001 All-Japan Nine-ball Champion, Open Division[17]
2000 Northern Lights Nine-ball Shootout[18]
2000 Viking Nine-ball Tour, Stop 18 winner[17]
1999 Camel/ESPN/Time Warner Cable Open [19]
I don't think anyone could argue that he wasn't at one time a top player....but look at those dates. 3 wins in the last 8 years, nothing in the last couple. He certainly isn't performing in the top tier these days...not to say he doesn't have the potential to though, he just hasn't.
Past 8 years:
2013 Derby City One Pocket Champion
2013 United States National Snooker Championship
2010 Turning Stone classic XVI Champion
Prior 8 years:
2007 Gabriels Open Professional Players Champion[8]
2007 Space Coast Open winner[8]
2007 Bob Martin Memorial winner[8]
2007 Jacksonville Open winner[8]
2006 Mosconi Cup, winning team member[13]
2006 Relay for Life Nine-Ball Invitational Charity Benefit winner[14]
2005 UPA Pro Tour Champion[14]
2005 Fast Eddie's Nine-ball Tour Stop, Open Division winner[14]
2004 Derby City Classic Ring Game winner[15]
2004 Predator Central Florida Ring Game winner[15]
2004 ESPN Sudden Death Seven-ball winner[15]
2004 Seminole Florida Pro Tour Stop winner[15]
2002 IBC Tour Stop 1 winner (Shirahima, Japan)[16]
2002 UPA Atlanta Pro Open winner[16]
2001 US Open Nine-ball Championship[17]
2001 Greater Columbus Open, Open Division winner[17]
2001 Reno Open Nine-ball Champion[17]
2001 BCA Open Nine-ball Champion, Men's Division[17]
2001 ESPN Sudden Death Seven-ball winner[17]
2001 All-Japan Nine-ball Champion, Open Division[17]
2000 Northern Lights Nine-ball Shootout[18]
2000 Viking Nine-ball Tour, Stop 18 winner[17]
1999 Camel/ESPN/Time Warner Cable Open [19]
What I posted is most likely not a complete list... just pulled up some stuff I found. Corey is capable of winning any event he enters... especially one pocket.
I'm not a Corey nut hugger, but there are a lot of misguided comments being made in this thread...
Interesting to take advantage of the weakness of the 2 ball (always being in a predictable place) like that.
If he makes the 1 and has the chance to hit (play safe) or make the 2, it's great.
If he forces Shane to push, it's still Corey's advantage. Corey's choice to accept or pass it back.
But no matter what, giving Shane a look at anything, even a push, a jump, a kick... is worse than keeping him in his chair. I suspect Shane's percentages of breaking and then either running out or playing a good safe were higher than Corey's success with this break.
As for what someone else said about potentially wanting to break Shane's rhythm that's likely part of the strategy, too. Especially in alternating break -- he gets the chance to keep trying it even if it isn't working well.
Corey has more creativity and talent in his pinkie finger than most have in total. The shotmaking prowess (and consistency) used to come along for the ride, but not as much anymore. I have a hunch if there were more $$ in pool he'd dedicate himself a little more and take down more events, like he used to.
You're right, slide.
No one can argue that he was AT ONE TIME a top-tier player.
My argument (not toward you) is that he no longer has the ability to compete in the top-tier.
All the creativity in the world won't get him there as one post has implied.
I have always been a fan of Deuel, but as I alluded to above (and thanks to his micro pool bio),
his candle (8 years) burned out pretty quickly.
Why? IMO it's because I feel it's his personal LIFE that is in the way.
He needs to start thinking about his future (other than pool).
I would hate to see him be broke and with no other viable skills.
He seems out of sorts. I hope I'm wrong here.
Did you not play pool 15+ years ago or follow 9ball?
Losing to Corey's Soft break was the reason that Earl quit in the finals against him at the Camel Tour's stop at Romine's High pockets back in 1999, giving him his first professional win.
Earl walked out and ESPN couldn't air the match as a result, and Camel quit pool soon afterwards.
Maybe if you actually watched him play during his breakout year, 2001, when he won a lot of tournaments and was ranked the #1 player in the world, you would have seen just how effective his break was.
That's the year he won the U.S. Open, and gave Mika the donut, 11-0.
Heck, there was that Million Dollar Challenge tournament he won at Valley Forge in 2008, where Corey was soft breaking so convincingly, that several opponents (including SVB in the finals) abandoned their traditional breaks, and tried to soft break, when he started to pull away.
It might not be an advantage in 10ball, but don't make the mistake in thinking that it wasn't a huge advantage in 9ball when he figured out the particular equipment he was on, and got it working.
Especially on equipment that was breaking terrible in the traditional manner.
That is, before the powers that be changed the rules for most of the 9ball tournaments and then changed the game on him.
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Here is the nothing in the last couple of years
2014 U.S. Barbox 8ball Champ (beat darren appleton in final)
2014 Chuck Markulis 1P Champ (beat warren kiamco in final)
2014 Music City Classic midnight madness champ
2015 Smokin Aces Barbox 9 Ball Champ (beat John Morra in final) 2K entry
2015 Chinook Winds 8 Ball Champ (beat John Morra twice in final & SVB right before)
There are about 30 top 5 finishes i this less than 2 & a half year span also. The AZ database also doesnt necessarily have all of his results, they dont keep track of many tournaments.
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Okay, I didn't look up the info and just used what was provided, didn't realize it was incomplete. Good to see some more recent wins!
I enjoy watching Corey and seeing his unique tactics...don't always like them and not sure I'd same I'm a huge fan, but I enjoy watching him play and appreciate the creativity it takes to approach the game in a different way than everyone else.
I would hardly call these wins. This looks like a resume for our local shortstop, a couple bar table tourneys here and there. They might have couple killers in the field, but let's call a spade a spade.
It is 4/20, maybe he partook a bit too much.
They say it makes you dumb.......maybe they know what they're talking about