Cortland Linen Problem?

[RSB-Refugee]

I saw a cue yesterday, a Kershenbrock maple merrywidow. It had what I thought looked like, Cortland wrap on it. The wrap's light color seemed to be brownish with age or a little dirty maybe. There were no rings on either side of the wrap, but forward of the wrap there was a greenish hue in the maple under the finish. It looked like the green dye in the wrap had bled into the maple and was wicking toward the front. Has anyone ever seen anything like this before?
I am thinking, the cues value would be harmed if it were refinished, but does this green dye, bleeding into the wood, detract from the value?

Thanks,
Tracy

 

[Michael Webb]

I have seen finish tarnish before which sometimes gives a green tint especially around metal rings, but I have not seen the wrap bleed unless for some strange reason the cue got extremely wet.

 

[RSB-Refugee]

I have seen finish tarnish before which sometimes gives a green tint especially around metal rings, but I have not seen the wrap bleed unless for some strange reason the cue got extremely wet.

Do you think, if a brass pin had been used for the A joint, that it could be a source of tarnish? I thought of the, it could have gotten wet part, it could be. Do you think the value would be significantly affected by this strange green coloring? Otherwise, it is a very nice looking cue.

Tracy

 

[Michael Webb]

I don't think the brass pin was the cause. If you want to increase the value send it to Laurie Franklin and have her refinish the cue and give you the paper work for verification.

 

[RSB-Refugee]

I don't think the brass pin was the cause.

I thought some, about that question, after I asked it. I realized that a brass pin epoxied in wood, would not be prone to oxidizing Your, it probably got wet assumption is the only answer that makes sense, as far as I can figure. But I still think it is a very odd that it could do that.

If you want to increase the value send it to Laurie Franklin and have her refinish the cue and give you the paper work for verification.

So you feel the green is more damaging to the value than a re-finish? Just wondering, because I have heard original condition is best.

Tracy

 

[Michael Webb]

If I were looking at a cue to purchase you can bet I would use every flaw as a bargaining tool. I wouldn't care who made it. But seeing South West is still in business, it would be worth more if you said original Kershenbrock refinished by South West and I have a letter of verification. (Cha ching!)

 

[RSB-Refugee]

If I were looking at a cue to purchase you can bet I would use every flaw as a bargaining tool. I wouldn't care who made it. But seeing South West is still in business, it would be worth more if you said original Kershenbrock refinished by South West and I have a letter of verification. (Cha ching!)

That makes sense.

Thanks,
Tracy

 

[Teddy Harris]

I saw a cue yesterday, a Kershenbrock maple merrywidow. It had what I thought looked like, Cortland wrap on it. The wrap's light color seemed to be brownish with age or a little dirty maybe. There were no rings on either side of the wrap, but forward of the wrap there was a greenish hue in the maple under the finish. It looked like the green dye in the wrap had bled into the maple and was wicking toward the front. Has anyone ever seen anything like this before?
I am thinking, the cues value would be harmed if it were refinished, but does this green dye, bleeding into the wood, detract from the value?

Thanks,
Tracy

Could it be that the finish wore off in that area and it is just dirt? Oftentimes, dirt appears green in maple. I have seen it happen on Kersenbrocks and Tads. If the finish remains intact, it could be that this happened and it has already been refinished by someone that did not want to sand all the way through the dirt or did not know how to clean it and just sprayed over it. There are lots of possibilities. Can you measure the diameter of the cue at the joint, top of the wrap, below the wrap, and at the butt plate. I really don't know if Kersenbrock made all of his cues to the same dimension, but if he did, measuring would sure narrow down the possibilities.

 

[RSB-Refugee]

Could it be that the finish wore off in that area and it is just dirt? Oftentimes, dirt appears green in maple. I have seen it happen on Kersenbrocks and Tads. If the finish remains intact, it could be that this happened and it has already been refinished by someone that did not want to sand all the way through the dirt or did not know how to clean it and just sprayed over it. There are lots of possibilities.

Here is some more of what I remember. The finish was intact, the finish and linen did not appear uneven and the linen looked very much like it had been there since the era it was reputed to have been made (70's).

Can you measure the diameter of the cue at the joint, top of the wrap, below the wrap, and at the butt plate. I really don't know if Kersenbrock made all of his cues to the same dimension, but if he did, measuring would sure narrow down the possibilities.

It is not mine, I don't think I would be able to measure it. At first seeing it, from a distance I guessed it might be a Harris (bluegrass type), because it was a merrywidow with brown phenolic joint and butt plate. I asked if it was a Harris, he said, "no, it's a Kershenbrock". Well that piqued my curiosity, I just had to get a closer look. Mind you this is in a podunk town in the middle of Indiana. I never would have dreamed of seeing such a cue there. He said he would consider selling it, but he has rejected offers higher than I would be able to spend on a cue. It was just something I had never seen on any other cue before, and wondered if anyone else had.

Tracy

 

[thepavlos]

If it is a Kersenbrock, he would want to send it to Ed Young in Chicago who works with Kersenbrock. Not only could he then get it authenticated but it would also have a brand new refinish by Kersenbrock, can't beat that for original finish
Paul

 

[BLACKHEARTCUES]

David Kersenbrock

If it is a Kersenbrock, he would want to send it to Ed Young in Chicago who works with Kersenbrock. Not only could he then get it authenticated but it would also have a brand new refinish by Kersenbrock, can't beat that for original finish
Paul

Last I heard, David was hooked up with a woman who had a T-shirt shop,where he had a lathe in a back room. Does anyone have a more recent update?...JER