Crical case
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Here is the video posted. My Review of the Crical Case actually bought by the OP. Surprisingly this one was even WORSE than the first one I reviewed.
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JB Cases - Second Review Of Crical Case
www.jbcase.comThis is the second review of the Crical brand case. Based on a review found at the AZ Billiards forum. link belowhttps://forums.azbilliards.c...
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Hey John. How about 50% off that guineapig 2x3 for re-writing your website language?
I guess 10,000 words wasn't enough so now he's made a 2part movie. Part deux: https://www.youtube.com/live/9v7OjVsDLI8
Exactly, factual knowledge is power. I can lead people to knowledge but I can't make them think.
Lol, she was like "really????, couldn't you just please put the toilet paper holder back up instead?"Did the real boss say no?
LOL. I'm at minute ~5:30 of this and you're complaining that in my post, "what he doesn't tell you is that only the top few inches are padded," and yet you're zoomed in on the part of my post where I say exactly that.Here is the video posted. My Review of the Crical Case actually bought by the OP. Surprisingly this one was even WORSE than the first one I reviewed.
JB Cases - Second Review Of Crical Case
www.jbcase.comThis is the second review of the Crical brand case. Based on a review found at the AZ Billiards forum. link belowhttps://forums.azbilliards.c...
I don't get the impression that you're a stupid person, or a careless person. So it seems like you must understand that what you're saying is wrong?
So what's the idea? Do you think other people are too stupid to read what's directly in front of them, and not realize that what you're saying is wrong?
Or are you just saying wrong stuff to troll me and start a fight?
I seriously don't get you.
Edit: "He's still maintaining that the case is equivalent to cases that are $200 to $250" ... again, wrong. Jesus christ. I'd say read my post again, but, you had literally just read my post in the video.
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You didn't bother to edit your comment about the JB cases likely being made in the same factory. So, honestly, I stand by everything I said in the video.
And I would advise you to be extra careful with the piece of crap that you bought. Just when I think that the maker of your case couldn't possibly be worse than the other crap I have seen from them along comes another example of human stupidity being infinite.
Ironically you bought this case because your strap broke and on this one the strap is compromised on both ends.
So treat it very gently. You didn't amend your review to say that the case isn't the equivalent of all cases in the 200-250 range. You continue to recommend this case to anyone.
Consumers can read what you wrote and watch my videos and make their own judgement as to any discrepancy between what you wrote and what I showed.
You decided to both misrepresent and mischacterize the case you have and denigrate cases that are vastly better.
So frankly I don't care at this point what you think of anything I said. The readers and the viewers can form their own conclusions.
If they hate their cues they will be ok with the case you think is great. If they love their cues they will want something much better than the piece of crap you are praising.
WTF are you talking about?
Is there something going wrong with your browser, or your brain, that you can't see the text at the end of the review that's clear as day?
** There are cases in that price range that have full-length internal padding, so if you spend more, you can get a better case. I still contend that this case is a good value at $80 + shipping and tax.
I read it and I fully disagree that it is a good value at any price.
You get no points for what you grudgingly wrote.
If you think the piece of garbage you bought is anything but a cue destroying waste of energy and material then you're flat out wrong in my opinion. Your judgement is not to be trusted at all.
You get no points for what you grudgingly wrote.
If you think the piece of garbage you bought is anything but a cue destroying waste of energy and material then you're flat out wrong in my opinion. Your judgement is not to be trusted at all.
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So wait, you're fully aware that you had convinced me that I was wrong, that the case is not comparable to cases in the price range that I had claimed, and that I amended my original review to say as much.
And yet, you go and film a 1.5 hour long YouTube video saying (multiple times) "he still maintains..." the thing that I don't maintain, and you post a new post to this thread saying that I didn't amend my post to say a particular thing even though you know that I had done exactly that?
I dunno, man. It seems like you're having a schizophrenic break from reality. I would be worried about your mental health, but you've been such a deeply unpleasant person to deal with that I do not care at all.
I was pleasant until I saw that you said you would be "shocked" if the knockoffs and the JB Cases were not made in the same factory.
There is absolutely no reason to make such a comment in the first place other than to be defensive about your "review" after being told clearly that your case is inferior by a lot.
And even when I corrected you on that point you still didn't edit your comment.
So for me your whole demeanor is that you will make ignorant comments and ignorant comparisons and irresponsible recommendations despite being given knowledge that you're simply wrong in your conclusions.
My mental health is fine. I make videos that are as long as they need to be in order to thoroughly go over each aspect when making a comparison. That's how much I actually care about cue protection.
If you cared about cue protection you would throw away the junk you bought and invest in a case that actually protects your cues. At the very least you wouldn't be recommending it to anyone else.
I think the viewers can easily figure out where I stand and whether I accurately represented your position or not. The difference between us is that you were ignorant of how your case is built before you posted your review and I was knowledgeable about it. Your ignorance however didn't stop you from making many erroneous statements that an engineer shouldn't make without verification. And when you were corrected and shown the factual information you barely amended your "review".
It is clear to me that you were defensive at being thought of as an idiot. I told you I don't think of you as an idiot. I do, however, now feel that you are dishonest. I don't know any other way to put it when you have been shown pretty comprehensively that the case you bought is junk and poor quality and yet you continue to tout it as of it is a good value. $105 paid for junk that is dangerous to your cues isn't a good value for a pool cue case by any definition of good or value in my opinion.
As for what you "maintain"..... My opinion is that you are sticking by your review for the most part and that you still think that your case has "75% of the quality for 25% of the price" of the 200-250 dollar cases.
If it were me my edit would be an apology for creating a review full of falsity based on ignorance and a deletion of the entire thing. As I told you before being happy with a purchase is natural. Making statements of fact or opinion including comparison to other products in the same category that are not based on objective and verified information is irresponsible.
And when you continue to stick with your claims after being fully informed of your errors then it moves into maliciousness in my view.
I will always be unpleasant when I come across people pushing junk in my area of the industry. I can understand ignorant exuberance but I can't allow knowledgable propaganda to go unanswered.
The case you have is actually one of the lowest quality and poorly built cue cases that I have come across in the past 30 years. And I have seen some bad ones. This factory that made it has no excuse for making it this bad. This is actually a huge regression in quality from them. And the reason is in my opinion because they simply don't care about protecting pool cues.
I happen to know the owner of that factory and I consulted with him 17 years ago. He knows how to build a good case so to let this piece of crap be made in his factory is a sign of pure neglect. I really have a hard time believing what I found on the model you have, it's actually really bad in ways that anyone there should have easily seen. And they likely did and built them using those crappy methods anyway.
You're easily fooled by outward appearance and I guess have too much pride to simply admit that you were defrauded into buying a piece of crap.
So you can cast aspersions but the facts are on full display. And since you are unable to admit that you simply made a bad recommendation based on ignorant claims I will go ahead and reiterate my findings to my audience tonight at our live sale on Facebook.
You are more than welcome to join the conversation, it starts in 25 minutes at https://www.facebook.com/jbcuecases
Welcome to this century. Many products are made in the same factories and are essentially the same things, with minor variations, and branded according to whoever is reselling them.
Vacuum cleaners... earbuds... carry-on luggage...
And pool cue cases. I have been to pool supply stores, and pool supply stands at tournaments. They have 100 cases for sale and almost all of them are clearly just variations on the same 3-4 basic products that are obviously made at the same factory and then just rebranded.
So yeah, for anybody who's not a f!@#king expert on you and your brand, it's an easy assumption to make that your cases are made at the same factory as other cases that look basically the same.
You've got some balls to think that everybody in the world is supposed to be intimately familiar with you, your company, your product line, what each of your different models cost, and where and how they're manufactured.
... and then to take it as a personal insult for the rest of eternity when somebody makes a reasonable (but wrong) assumption about your products.
The reasonable way to handle the situation would have been to just make an informative post contradicting my post. You have instead apparently chosen to make an enemy for life.
As for you being upset that I haven't edited that post, do you understand that you're using an internet comment thread, and not Wikipedia? There are already EIGHT F!@#KING PAGES of subsequent comments discussing my posts, what in god's name do you think would be gained by me going and changing any particular thing that I wrote months ago?
Lol, so you just thought it's a good idea to ASSUME and disparage.
And you have very little integrity for someone who claims to be an engineer. Certainly a true trained engineer with integrity knows the difference between assumption and actual knowledge. So you decide that erring on the side of harm with your ignorance is the best way to express your "opinion".
Again, you had every opportunity to CORRECT your statement after I told you POLITELY that you are wrong. You had plenty of time to do it BEFORE I made the second video and you chose not to. You still didn't do it AFTER I reiterated the point several times. So, no your assumption was neither reasonable nor ethical. Especially considering that you CLAIM you did research and visited our website when looking for a new case. So either you are lying or you didn't actually do much research. As a member of this forum you COULD have simply asked when doing this research and gotten the correct information. So for an engineer you do a lot of assuming and very little actually diligent research in my opinion.
I was very polite to you for most of the thread. Your feelings about me are inconsequential at this point. If you want to use the word "enemy" then you are more than welcome to feel that way. Anyone who ignorantly promoted junk is just excited about whatever they have. But after they have been informed and continue to promote the junk, they are then malicious in my opinion. As I said my focus is on building highly protective cases and doing them to a very high quality standard. Your "comments" comparing your junk knockoff favorably to our cases is a direct contradiction to the quality we deliver. And your amendments to your original review are not sufficient to convey the actual differences in quality between the crap knockoff and our work.
Well, there isn't a timeline on correcting false information. If you learn the accurate information and have the ability to do so and you choose not to then you're endorsing what you wrote. What would be gained? You would show that you have integrity and a willingness to change your opinion when presented with new information that contradicts what you previously wrote.
I understand these forums far better than you do. There is an edit feature for a reason. You are the only one other than a moderator who can edit your posts. So there wouldn't be a need for "8 freaking pages" if you had the integrity to accept the corrections to your original statements.
So if your intent was to influence the readers into thinking that they are getting "75% of the quality at 25% of the price" as you put it then my intent is to show the exact opposite and to do it with objective video evidence. While you might have had good intentions when you did your review I feel that you decided that "defending your comments" was far more important than correcting the record.
So, you can choose to be upset or you can choose to accept that you are wrong. At this point your feelings about it don't matter to me. Protection Matters and Quality Matters to me and my customers. You are willing to accept junk for your money and willing to accept a case that provides very little protection and is in my opinion actually dangerous to the cues. And you are not only willing to accept this badly made case but you are willing to tell others to be ok with it as well.
I said I would be shocked. Meaning that I didn't actually know. I didn't DECLARE that your cases were made at the same factory, which I would have obviously done if I had known. Kind of the opposite, really. If I was wrong, then fine, I'm shocked, I'm wrong, life goes on.
So no, I didn't "ASSUME and disparage." You've worked yourself into a lather over a stranger making a guess about something on the internet. Have a little dignity.
You might want to consider politics. Strangely enough you didn't actually express shock when I told you clearly that our cases are not made in the same place as any other brand.
Yes you assumed. Yes you disparaged.
No you're not shocked. Yes you still think that you got 75% of the value for 25% of the price.
I have enough dignity to stand up for the truth. Grow some ethics.
Sorry not sorry that I shattered your review by literally shattering the tube in your knockoff.
I appreciate the fact that you're so defensive over your inaccurate statements.... The more you do it the more attention is brought to the fraudulent and very poor construction of the knockoff you love so much. The longer this goes the more people get to see the vast quality differences between our work and cheap knockoffs.
Here is a text from a customer who bought a $370 case that he sent back when he found that the cues rattle inside of it.
These are the people I do my videos for. People like you give me the platform that justifies these videos.
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Yes, I did see that part of the video.
I guess maybe the instructions for the case should include "do not hold the case above your head and throw it at a hard concrete floor like a goddamn gorilla."
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It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
I honestly don't want to add fuel to the fire of the absolute dumpster fire we have going on here... but say your case was sitting on a high table like they have in many bars. All it takes is someone carelessly bumping your case to the floor and that would be enough to shatter the end of that tube. It was already stress cracked/broken from the tacks.
There is a price point for everything and honestly for many/most people the case you bought will serve the purpose. It's less durable and I wouldn't trust it with my custom cue but for a starter case, league night or such it will probably be just fine.