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lfigueroa said:
I have not complained, I have only asked. (You appear to have a habit of reading too much into what you think I write :-) And, I will point out that you have still not provided a straight answer. (BTW, I have no doubt that you have spent a lot of money creating your DVD but somewhat obviously you intend to recoup all of that plus profit. Nothing wrong with that.)

I think it's great that you continue your work on CTE and I know some folks can't wait to get to get their hands on it to further their own experimentation. I'm not really in that camp but I am interested in the CTE discussion in general, having followed and participated in it for some 15 years on this and another forum. Hell, Hal Houle hisself called me at home many years ago.

So maybe we just wait for DVD #2 to come out and see what's on it. If nothing else one thing that the folks on AZ can actually count on is that it will continue an already interesting discussion.

Lou Figueroa
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Lou,

I have put my work out there for the whole world to see. I post concerning the concepts and details of what I teach.
I have intended to answer every concern as directly and honestly as I know how.

Please, AZ members that would like to see my work first-hand and see demos and ask questions, come to my teaching facility. There's no charge for this. Is that not fair enough? I invite pros to see my work and report on it. Is that not fair enough for you?

Whatever answer that wasn't straight enough for you, sorry, Lou.

Stan Shuffett
 
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I think it's time that I pull up for awhile.
This is what I do not personally care about on AZ.

I try and share about CTE but it turns into a dang-gone war. I may be wrong but I think most can see where this is going.

I will jump in if necessary to stand up for myself.


Stan Shuffett
 
lfigueroa said:
I don't recall saying I don't understand it but will confess to saying I don't believe it works as advertised. But since you asked, here are my observations after studying DVD #1:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=2871644&postcount=77

Now before everyone starts up again with the: you didn't come to it with an open mind; you didn't work with it long enough; you didn't really understand it -- I did try and make it work but was unable to. Another player here in St. Louis, an attorney as a matter of fact and a fine player, got the DVD, worked with it and said it pretty much messed up his game. He also said it took him two weeks to "get un-CTE'd" so you know there was some kind of commitment there. (I think another guy here on AZ ended up using DVD #1 as a coaster and used a photo of his coffee cup sitting on it at his desk as an avatar for a while, so not everyone is a believer.)

I know there are guys for whom it works and to them I say mazel tov.

Lou Figueroa
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an attorney as a matter of fact
Well he surely knows what he is talking about. Lol give me a break
 
And just for the record. Ask Rodney Morris what he thinks of real CTE. Taught him yesterday at the bonusball studio and he couldn't believe it. He says its like cheating! Lol. His words!
 
BLADE said:
an attorney as a matter of fact
Well he surely knows what he is talking about. Lol give me a break
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Yeah... a guy with a ton of education, who passed the bar, is used to analyzing evidence, arguments, and presenting logical persuasive arguments before juries and judges, often involving federal charges.

What was I thinking.

Lou Figueroa
 
BLADE said:
And just for the record. Ask Rodney Morris what he thinks of real CTE. Taught him yesterday at the bonusball studio and he couldn't believe it. He says its like cheating! Lol. His words!
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Thanks, Stevie!

I Am glad you are spending instructional time with Rodney. Does not surprise me that he sees the specialness of the system.

Please let Rodney know that I am willing to assist him in any way. It is fun to see the pros connect.

Stan Shuffett
 
lfigueroa said:
Yeah... a guy with a ton of education, who passed the bar, is used to analyzing evidence, arguments, and presenting logical persuasive arguments before juries and judges, often involving federal charges.

What was I thinking.

Lou Figueroa
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This ain't court bubba! This is real CTE!
 
My thoughts for Stan and Lou.

Stan, please don't defend CTE or yourself on this forum. You have done fantastic work, and neither you nor CTE needs to be defended.

Will see you hopefully at the Derby City, and looking forward to discussing with the other pros about CTE. Sure wish you had DVD #2 finished already !


Lou, please just let it go. If you don't like it, or don't want to use it, just let it go and move on with your life. Hope to see you at the Derby City, and share with you what CTE can do !! Maybe even share some other aiming ideas with you too.

Good luck to you both,
Yoda
 
Yoda4962 said:
Stan, please don't defend CTE or yourself on this forum. You have done fantastic work, and neither you nor CTE needs to be defended.

Will see you hopefully at the Derby City, and looking forward to discussing with the other pros about CTE. Sure wish you had DVD #2 finished already !


Lou, please just let it go. If you don't like it, or don't want to use it, just let it go and move on with your life. Hope to see you at the Derby City, and share with you what CTE can do !! Maybe even share some other aiming ideas with you too.

Good luck to you both,
Yoda
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Thanks for your thoughts. Yoda.
Words of wisdom for sure.
Still not sure about Derby.
If for some reason, you'd like to come my way just let me know and I can answer any questions. I'd need a little notice because of lessons and editing work but would enjoy meeting and visiting with you.
Stan Shuffett
 
BLADE said:
This ain't court bubba! This is real CTE!
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True, but as I said this guy is also a fine player. It makes me wonder how -- if a guy with his education and skills in analyzing things can't successfully deploy this system -- what chance does the guy with the GED got.

Lou Figueroa
 
Yoda4962 said:
Stan, please don't defend CTE or yourself on this forum. You have done fantastic work, and neither you nor CTE needs to be defended.

Will see you hopefully at the Derby City, and looking forward to discussing with the other pros about CTE. Sure wish you had DVD #2 finished already !


Lou, please just let it go. If you don't like it, or don't want to use it, just let it go and move on with your life. Hope to see you at the Derby City, and share with you what CTE can do !! Maybe even share some other aiming ideas with you too.

Good luck to you both,
Yoda
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My life is moving along just fine -- just sittin' here sippin' an espresso, reading and writing about pool. Some things I agree with and say so, other things I don't agree with. I'm going to comment on those things too.

Look forward to meeting you.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
True, but as I said this guy is also a fine player. It makes me wonder how -- if a guy with his education and skills in analyzing things can't successfully deploy this system -- what chance does the guy with the GED got.

Lou Figueroa
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Lou,

CTE PRO ONE is not about language and math skills involved in obtaining a GED. I would never say in a million years that one needs a GED to learn CTE PRO ONE, VIDEO wise or n person.

I am betting there are plenty of folks in the ST LOUIS area without
a GED that can eat your attorney friend up visually and physically.

This is not about doctors and lawyers. This is about a very special set of instructions for an optimal visual and physical approach to connecting with the geometry of a table. I have learned a language that can convey this for the very first time. Is it perfect? No....but I am getting close to perfect as will be seen in DVD2.

CTE PRO ONE instruction focuses on a VISUAL and PHYSICAL education for pool.

From what I have seen, it boils down to MOTIVATION.

I wanted this for myself, an understanding of CTE, and it boiled down to desire and resolve. I basically started with "see CTE and shoot." That was 8 years and 15/000 hours of work ago.

So, I pack 10,000 hours of instruction into video DVD1 concerning how to shorten the journey into just weeks. Some want to watch a video 1 or 2 or 3 times and do just do just a little work at the table and they are done? No wonder.

I just received a note from a young man who is motivated and hung in there with his study for a couple of hundred hours.
He just proudly proclaimed that the video was the best pool money he'd ever spent in 22 years. He stuck with it because he wanted it and had faith in my work. Now he has something so special that's it's in a completely different dimension from what you know and understand. And that is a shame, too, because as much as you love this game you are on a journey of never connecting with the most amazing geometric discovery ever in our game.
Your attorney friend, sounds like he will miss out as well.

Put me in contact with your fine playing attorney friend and I will give him a demo at my home this spring.

Stan Shuffett
 
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lfigueroa said:
If I recall correctly DVD #1 was supposed to be the definitive work on the subject. My wife would still like to know if everyone who bought DVD #1 will now get a free copy of DVD #2.

Lou Figueroa
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It was. Since no one else did one it was the definitive video on CTE at the time. And like almost everyone else on the planet who makes something Stan has learned more about the subject in making the presentation and more about how to present the material.

Tell your wife I will pay for your lesson with Stan in person if you go to his house. Whether you apologize for calling him a fraud will be your choice.
 
There is no question that many players have had great success with CTE. Are they all smarter than an attorney? I think one's general intelligence has little to do with it. Everyone has the capacity to learn CTE.

For a comparison, how do you attain a clean consistent stroke? Do you read a book? Take professional instruction? Both of these will help accelerate the process, but there is absolutely no substitution for practice and persistance until the stroke feels natural. It can take months to years.

You can apply the same analogy to CTE. It is very different than traditional aiming methods. At first it will seem awkward. But through practice and persistence, it will come.

This has been my experience with CTE. I consider myself a pretty smart guy. I was a double major computer science and math, and minor in music. I do application development for a career, and I played lead trumpet in a jazz ensemble at the college level. So did I watch the DVD and "get it"? Absolutely not. It was confusing and full of unanswered questions. However the underlying principle really intrigued me, and I decided to pursue it. So on pretty much blind faith, I took the DVD to the table, watched a shot, then stopped the video and attempted the shot myself. Although the procedure was quite alien to me, I was able to pocket balls pretty quickly. So I just kept going. Slowly but surely things started to feel more natural, and ball pocketing became easier. At about the eight month mark, things really fell into place and this is when I started feeling comfortable with the system. Every day I get a little further. Can it be learned faster? I'm sure it can, and it all hinges on the amount of time you have to practice. I only had a day a week.

As things came together, many things said and demonstrated on the video began to fill in the blanks. I would watch the video again and again, slowly assembling the system and making it work. I can't tell you how many emails were sent to Stan, but he answered all of them, usually within the same day.

So IMHO whether you are a rocket scientist or a GED has little to do with any of it. It is willingness to learn and persistence that will bring it all together.
 
Now before everyone starts up again with the: you didn't come to it with an open mind; you didn't work with it long enough; you didn't really understand it -- I did try and make it work but was unable to. Another player here in St. Louis, an attorney as a matter of fact and a fine player, got the DVD, worked with it and said it pretty much messed up his game. He also said it took him two weeks to "get un-CTE'd" so you know there was some kind of commitment there. (I think another guy here on AZ ended up using DVD #1 as a coaster and used a photo of his coffee cup sitting on it at his desk as an avatar for a while, so not everyone is a believer.)

I know there are guys for whom it works and to them I say mazel tov.

Lou Figueroa
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And so what we have here is the proof of what I have been saying ALL ALONG, what do you lose by trying a different technique? Nothing but a little time.

Your friend tried it and didn't get it and got it out of his system and he isn't scarred for life or I assume you would have told us that.

I presume he is still playing pool and having fun when he does? Not looking to give up his practice and go on the road and hoping CTE was going to boost him to bonafide hustler status was he?

I didn't think so. So we have dozens of testimonials of people who got it and a few testimonials from people who didn't. Sounds about like ANYTHING in life, some people get it and some people don't. Which is why it's so awesome that there are many choices. Otherwise we would be stuck with only people who get it and people who don't. Now we can have people enjoying pool without everyone having to do it the same way.

As I said before I showed Stan's DVD to a pool coach here in Xiamen, a guy who has many bonafide champions under his belt and he said it's a very good method for aiming and it works. It's not about "believing" or not. The proof is in the use. Some people understand the instructions and others don't. Some people are artists and others are attorneys, neither is less intelligent than the other they simply visualize things differently.

There is a thread with testimonials where the ratio is many more who were satisfied with Stan's work and happy with the value they received. The count of people who were not thrilled was very low if I remember right. Perhaps someone has a link to that thread.

In any event, the work is out there and like all work there are going to be supporters and going to be knockers, there will be people who get it and people who don't and the world does not end. Pool is still played, people still have fun.
 
It's one thing to not like the system, or to say you don't want to use it. But you'd have to be pretty dumb to at least not understand it after watching the DVD.
 
mohrt said:
There is no question that many players have had great success with CTE. Are they all smarter than an attorney? I think one's general intelligence has little to do with it. Everyone has the capacity to learn CTE.

For a comparison, how do you attain a clean consistent stroke? Do you read a book? Take professional instruction? Both of these will help accelerate the process, but there is absolutely no substitution for practice and persistance until the stroke feels natural. It can take months to years.

You can apply the same analogy to CTE. It is very different than traditional aiming methods. At first it will seem awkward. But through practice and persistence, it will come.

This has been my experience with CTE. I consider myself a pretty smart guy. I was a double major computer science and math, and minor in music. I do application development for a career, and I played lead trumpet in a jazz ensemble at the college level. So did I watch the DVD and "get it"? Absolutely not. It was confusing and full of unanswered questions. However the underlying principle really intrigued me, and I decided to pursue it. So on pretty much blind faith, I took the DVD to the table, watched a shot, then stopped the video and attempted the shot myself. Although the procedure was quite alien to me, I was able to pocket balls pretty quickly. So I just kept going. Slowly but surely things started to feel more natural, and ball pocketing became easier. At about the eight month mark, things really fell into place and this is when I started feeling comfortable with the system. Every day I get a little further. Can it be learned faster? I'm sure it can, and it all hinges on the amount of time you have to practice. I only had a day a week.

As things came together, many things said and demonstrated on the video began to fill in the blanks. I would watch the video again and again, slowly assembling the system and making it work. I can't tell you how many emails were sent to Stan, but he answered all of them, usually within the same day.

So IMHO whether you are a rocket scientist or a GED has little to do with any of it. It is willingness to learn and persistence that will bring it all together.
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I second all of this - computer/math guy here too (no minor in music but played piano for 9 years). Same experience with the DVD, in person lessons would have been great but as mentioned before Stan was very gracious with his time with those of us that reached out to him.

I've shown a few people now the various systems out there and without exception their improvement is instantaneous. Now of course beyond that initial success requires putting the time in to really understand all of the nuances, gain confidence, incorporate it into your PSR, etc. But it still shortcuts the normal HAMB approach. Either can work, just depends on your individual perception at the table.

Much like my old pool partner (a very good player) - he has clearly seen me demonstrate improvements gained by using the system, but just can't wrap his head around why he would need to pivot or perceive anything other than ghost ball. So it may not be for everyone - your attorney friend included - and if you feel everything is fine the way you do things then that's great. But that doesn't mean it's not a valid, and possibly enhanced, approach to the game.

Scott
 
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