CTE/Pro One Perceptions question

[UpMySleeves]

Hey guys

In my quest to learn and get familiar with the system "pre-reception-of-the-dvd" (I should recieve it in two weeks), I wanted to make sure I understand the Perceptions correctly

From what I gather, there are 3 main perceptions that are often talked about and cited when executing a shot on different youtube videos ("15 degree percetpion, left sweep" or "30 degree perception, right sweep".

I understand these perceptions are not exact angles between the CB and OB in reference to the pocket. I understand it is useless to get out a protractor and measure. What I understand is that if you "fit" in a 15, 30 or 45 degree perception, you'll either aim to A, B or C (also depending on the cut direction).

If you consider my diagram, I drew different angles that are based on the OB and pocket. It so happens that the OB is in straight line with the pocket, but these angles could be shifted to match the OB's position.

Basically is it correct to say that when looking at a shot, you can stand directly behind the OB in line with the pocket, and visualise these angles. If your CB is in the 15 degree portion, you would aim to either A or C on the OB. If your CB is in the 30 degree, you'd aim to B, and if your CB is in the 45 degree, you'd again aim to either A or C, without any CTE ? Did I get that right?

In my example:
-Cueballs A and B stand in the 45 degree "perception" with a left cut, so would use inside Edge to C, without any CTE.

-Cueballs C and D are in the 30 degree perception with a left gut, so would use CTE and ETB as perceptions,

-Cueball E is in the 15 degree perception with a left cut so would use CTE and ETA

-Cueball F is pretty much straight in, so you could either use CTE/ETA with a right sweep, or CTE/ETC with a left sweep

-Cueball G is now a right cut, so would use CTE/ETC

-Cueballs H and I are both 30 degree perceptions with a right cut, so would use CTE/ETB

-Cueballs J K and L are all 45 degree perceptions so would require only ETA with no CTE


I know I didn't include any sweeps in those examples (except straight ins), as I want to make sure I understand the perceptions before trying to pivot or sweep.

I would also have a question as to what "perception" would you need for a ball that is outside the yellow angle, but still in the feasable <90 degree angle. Would you go to 1/8th overlap?

Thank you all for letting me know if any of this is correct, and if it is, I hope this can help others who are confused by the many nomenclature used by CTE users when calling out shots on youtube videos. I often hear "B, Left" or "CTE, ETA inside" or "30 degree perception, ouside"

 

[stan shuffett]

A perception, regardless of which one it is, will always be followed with a left or right pivot or sweep.

Stan Shuffett

 

[nobcitypool]

Every time see someone starting their cte/pro one journey with diagrams and angles, I know they're having down the wrong path. How do I know that? Because I did it.

Buy Stan's DVD, watch it a few times and go to the table. Set up the shots from the DVD and start shooting. You'll soon see what I mean.

 

[UpMySleeves]

A perception, regardless of which one it is, will always be followed with a left or right pivot or sweep.

Stan Shuffett

Yup, that is why I mentionned I didn't talk about sweeps because I wanted to know if I understood perceptions right. But I am aware that you always need a sweep

Every time see someone starting their cte/pro one journey with diagrams and angles, I know they're having down the wrong path. How do I know that? Because I did it.

Buy Stan's DVD, watch it a few times and go to the table. Set up the shots from the DVD and start shooting. You'll soon see what I mean.

Again, as mentionned, I did buy the DVD. The payment is sent and I'm waiting delivery. I just wanted complementary info prior to doing the DVD practice shots, which trust me I'll do. I know diagrams aren't the best to explain perceptions, but still they can help no? I mean, Stan's explainations in his youtube vids using exagerated balls are sort of diagrams themselves. Anyways thank for the heads up. If I'm on the wrong path, I guess I'll figure that out quickly.

 

[gazman100]

Hey guys

In my example:
-Cueballs A and B stand in the 45 degree "perception" with a left cut, so would use inside Edge to C, without any CTE.

-Cueballs C and D are in the 30 degree perception with a left gut, so would use CTE and ETB as perceptions,

-Cueball E is in the 15 degree perception with a left cut so would use CTE and ETA

-Cueball F is pretty much straight in, so you could either use CTE/ETA with a right sweep, or CTE/ETC with a left sweep

-Cueball G is now a right cut, so would use CTE/ETC

-Cueballs H and I are both 30 degree perceptions with a right cut, so would use CTE/ETB

-Cueballs J K and L are all 45 degree perceptions so would require only ETA with no CTE


Lol:
All of your lettered balls are not needed. You only need 15 - 30 - 45 deg and at the most 60 deg.
The ball will pocket in the pocket anywhere within the perception in you diagram.
Cheers

 

[Gerry Williams]

What part of Montreal are you in?

Once you get the DVD and give it a good go you will get it. I would be happy to connect if you are ever in Ottawa.

Yup, that is why I mentionned I didn't talk about sweeps because I wanted to know if I understood perceptions right. But I am aware that you always need a sweep



Again, as mentionned, I did buy the DVD. The payment is sent and I'm waiting delivery. I just wanted complementary info prior to doing the DVD practice shots, which trust me I'll do. I know diagrams aren't the best to explain perceptions, but still they can help no? I mean, Stan's explainations in his youtube vids using exagerated balls are sort of diagrams themselves. Anyways thank for the heads up. If I'm on the wrong path, I guess I'll figure that out quickly.

 

[Gerry Williams]

Everything in blue and green is a 15 degree perception.

Maybe even some of the yellow but more likely 30 degree.

Hard to tell unless I am at the table.

Hey guys

In my quest to learn and get familiar with the system "pre-reception-of-the-dvd" (I should recieve it in two weeks), I wanted to make sure I understand the Perceptions correctly

From what I gather, there are 3 main perceptions that are often talked about and cited when executing a shot on different youtube videos ("15 degree percetpion, left sweep" or "30 degree perception, right sweep".

I understand these perceptions are not exact angles between the CB and OB in reference to the pocket. I understand it is useless to get out a protractor and measure. What I understand is that if you "fit" in a 15, 30 or 45 degree perception, you'll either aim to A, B or C (also depending on the cut direction).

If you consider my diagram, I drew different angles that are based on the OB and pocket. It so happens that the OB is in straight line with the pocket, but these angles could be shifted to match the OB's position.

Basically is it correct to say that when looking at a shot, you can stand directly behind the OB in line with the pocket, and visualise these angles. If your CB is in the 15 degree portion, you would aim to either A or C on the OB. If your CB is in the 30 degree, you'd aim to B, and if your CB is in the 45 degree, you'd again aim to either A or C, without any CTE ? Did I get that right?

In my example:
-Cueballs A and B stand in the 45 degree "perception" with a left cut, so would use inside Edge to C, without any CTE.

-Cueballs C and D are in the 30 degree perception with a left gut, so would use CTE and ETB as perceptions,

-Cueball E is in the 15 degree perception with a left cut so would use CTE and ETA

-Cueball F is pretty much straight in, so you could either use CTE/ETA with a right sweep, or CTE/ETC with a left sweep

-Cueball G is now a right cut, so would use CTE/ETC

-Cueballs H and I are both 30 degree perceptions with a right cut, so would use CTE/ETB

-Cueballs J K and L are all 45 degree perceptions so would require only ETA with no CTE


I know I didn't include any sweeps in those examples (except straight ins), as I want to make sure I understand the perceptions before trying to pivot or sweep.

I would also have a question as to what "perception" would you need for a ball that is outside the yellow angle, but still in the feasable <90 degree angle. Would you go to 1/8th overlap?

Thank you all for letting me know if any of this is correct, and if it is, I hope this can help others who are confused by the many nomenclature used by CTE users when calling out shots on youtube videos. I often hear "B, Left" or "CTE, ETA inside" or "30 degree perception, ouside"

 

[UpMySleeves]

Everything in blue and green is a 15 degree perception.

Maybe even some of the yellow but more likely 30 degree.

Hard to tell unless I am at the table.

Oh ok, well at least that confirms that my theory was wrong lol. Which is a good thing, at least there isn't any confusion. I thought it was labelled 15 30 and 45 degrees for a reason. Oh well, will have to wait for the DVD to figure things out

By the way, I live on the south shore of Montreal, but it isn't too far from Ottawa. I went to the VNEA event at Tailgators a few years back. Lots of my pool friends attend that tournament every year, great place. I'll definately let you know if I'm in that area!

 

[Gerry Williams]

Yeah we may have played each other.

I play at Tailgators and Doolys.

Oh ok, well at least that confirms that my theory was wrong lol. Which is a good thing, at least there isn't any confusion. I thought it was labelled 15 30 and 45 degrees for a reason. Oh well, will have to wait for the DVD to figure things out

By the way, I live on the south shore of Montreal, but it isn't too far from Ottawa. I went to the VNEA event at Tailgators a few years back. Lots of my pool friends attend that tournament every year, great place. I'll definately let you know if I'm in that area!

 

[mohrt]

There is another glaring problem with a chart like this. As the CB gets closer to the OB, the visual/sweep can change in rapid succession. For instance on the 30 degree area, move to somewhere near the OB and you start getting 45/60 perceptions quickly.

 

[UpMySleeves]

There is another glaring problem with a chart like this. As the CB gets closer to the OB, the visual/sweep can change in rapid succession. For instance on the 30 degree area, move to somewhere near the OB and you start getting 45/60 perceptions quickly.

Yup I noticed that too afterwards...Well so much for that!

 

[frankw]

There is another glaring problem with a chart like this. As the CB gets closer to the OB, the visual/sweep can change in rapid succession. For instance on the 30 degree area, move to somewhere near the OB and you start getting 45/60 perceptions quickly.

This has been an issue for me and I've stumbled during games with this ( overcutting and undercutting that side pocket ). With more practice I'm sure it will come but thanks for pointing this out as the angles can change very quickly and if you are not aware of this , it can get tricky.