cue balance points

[drivermaker]

Will somebody please get this guy a cup of coffee?

mike page
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I've had my coffee...all I'd like is the info I requested. Remember...YOU started this thread and ASKED if we'd like additional info posted. Now you just want to play word games and measurement games according to the way you see fit. Who is REALLY the recalcitrant one here?

 

[mikepage]

[...] Remember...YOU started this thread and ASKED if we'd like additional info posted.

Would you be so kind as to cut and past from my post where I ASKED if you'd like additional information posted?

Now you just want to play word games and measurement games according to the way you see fit. Who is REALLY the recalcitrant one here?

sigh...

I've gone 48 years without being called recalcitrant. I was shooting for a whole lifetime, and now you've gone and blown it for me drivermaker.

I didn't post ANY absolute balance points measured from ANYWHERE. I didn't measure those. I just posted the RELATIVE balance points by showing a picture of the several cues balanced on their balance points. I thought it was interesting and thought perhaps others might think it was interesting too. I showed them from the butt of the cue. Then after requests, I posted a few other pictures that showed the whole cue so people could see the lengths of the cue as well as the balance points relative to tip.

You said if I had a digital scale you'd like weights. I don't have a digital scale, don't know the weights, and don't know which cues have a weight bolt.

Let's just get something clear here. Several people have posted to this thread with comments or questions, including you and me. Only ONE person has contributed actual information and that's ME. Only one person has contributed nasty criticism and that's YOU.

Geez... With the strength of your reaction, you'd think I suggested the Earth isn't round or Meucci shafts aren't whippy or something.

mike page
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[drivermaker]

Would you be so kind as to cut and past from my post where I ASKED if you'd like additional information posted?



sigh...

I've gone 48 years without being called recalcitrant. I was shooting for a whole lifetime, and now you've gone and blown it for me drivermaker.

If there are any other choice words you haven't been called in your lifetime, let me know. I'll be happy to oblige you on that.

You said if I had a digital scale you'd like weights. I don't have a digital scale, don't know the weights, and don't know which cues have a weight bolt.

If you don't have a digital scale...fine! Not everyone does. However, all you have to do is remove the rubber bumper on the back of the cue and you'll know immediately whether the cue has a weight bolt or not. You can remove it very easily by either pulling on it or using the appropriate tool to screw out whatever is holding the bumper in place. If you have a weight bolt that can be changed, it also means that the balance point can be changed with a different weight. Therefore, one shouldn't automatically assume that what is back weighted or forward weighted on YOUR cue that's in the picture is representative of all cues made by that particular cuemaker.

Let's just get something clear here. Several people have posted to this thread with comments or questions, including you and me. Only ONE person has contributed actual information and that's ME. Only one person has contributed nasty criticism and that's YOU.

mike page
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Let's you and I get something perfectly clear here. I asked a simple question, and I asked the SAME QUESTION that KOOP did. I COPIED HIS RESPONSE AND PLAYED OFF OF THAT. Go to MY very first post which is at the top of page 2 on this thread. Where is there anything that's nasty. It's a simple question, Dr. Mike. Do you also have reading comprehension problems like a lot of your other Post Hole Digger friends?

Let me make something else clear...take your "interesting" thread on balance and shove it. I could care less. I think I already know more about the balance of a cue than you'll ever know in your entire lifetime so it doesn't matter to me.

 

[mikepage]

[...]
Let's you and I get something perfectly clear here. I asked a simple question, and I asked the SAME QUESTION that KOOP did. I COPIED HIS RESPONSE AND PLAYED OFF OF THAT.

No you asked a different question than Koop. I started out by showing the balance points from the butt. By asking to see the lengths of the cues, he was effectively asking to see the balance ponts also relative to the tips. I think you misunderstood his question.

Let me make something else clear...take your "interesting" thread on balance and shove it. I could care less. I think I already know more about the balance of a cue than you'll ever know in your entire lifetime so it doesn't matter to me.

I used to think you didn't like me. But your behaviour towards me is far more reminiscent of that kid in the schoolyard who keeps pulling on the pigtail of the girl he likes and then running away. I now think you actually like me.

It's only fair to let you know I'm married.

mike page
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[drivermaker]

No you asked a different question than Koop. I started out by showing the balance points from the butt. By asking to see the lengths of the cues, he was effectively asking to see the balance ponts also relative to the tips. I think you misunderstood his question.

No...I think YOU misunderstood his question. Only HE can clear it up. Hey, I'll eat crow if I misunderstood...I've eaten it before. Will YOU??
Even if it WAS a different question than KOOP'S, so what? It was just another question and a reasonable one at that. No animosity or anything of that nature. Surely not what you're trying to build into it.



I used to think you didn't like me. But your behaviour towards me is far more reminiscent of that kid in the schoolyard who keeps pulling on the pigtail of the girl he likes and then running away. I now think you actually like me.

If it makes you happy to think that, I don't care. Let's just say I don't dislike or hate you. You're just a royal pain in the ass.

It's only fair to let you know I'm married.

mike page
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Then I guess I should never ask YOUR WIFE the question of "Happily or not". I think I can guess her answer.

 

[Koop]

No you asked a different question than Koop.
mike page
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Actually it was basically the same, as DM and I have discussed balance points off-line.

Koop

 

[drivermaker]

Actually it was basically the same, as DM and I have discussed balance points off-line.

Koop

PAGING MIKE PAGE...PAGING MIKE PAGE...PLEASE COME IN MIKE PAGE....WILL THAT BE KETCHUP, MUSTARD, OR HOT SAUCE WITH YOUR CROW? ARE YOU MAN ENOUGH TO MAKE A CHOICE AND ADMIT THAT YOU MISUNDERSTOOD??

I hear there's a new reading comprehension 101 class starting in Sturgis University for Harley Heads next month...maybe you should attend. LMAO

 

[Rude Dog]

I like crow.

 

[mikepage]

PAGING MIKE PAGE...PAGING MIKE PAGE...PLEASE COME IN MIKE PAGE....WILL THAT BE KETCHUP, MUSTARD, OR HOT SAUCE WITH YOUR CROW? ARE YOU MAN ENOUGH TO MAKE A CHOICE AND ADMIT THAT YOU MISUNDERSTOOD??

I hear there's a new reading comprehension 101 class starting in Sturgis University for Harley Heads next month...maybe you should attend. LMAO

Yes I apologize drivermaker. I guess it was me and not you who misunderstood Koop's question.

Mike Page
Fargo

 

[drivermaker]

Yes I apologize drivermaker. I guess it was me and not you who misunderstood Koop's question.

Mike Page
Fargo

You are a good man. One of these days if it ever came to pass, I'd even buy the beers for the night. Just don't get the wrong idea and think that I was trying to horn in on your wife.

 

[mikepage]

You are a good man. One of these days if it ever came to pass, I'd even buy the beers for the night. Just don't get the wrong idea and think that I was trying to horn in on your wife.

Since you're up early (or is it late?) I'll treat you to the squirt pivot points of those cues. Hoping it's ok with you, I measure these as inches from the tip.

Patrick -- 15
Sherm - 15
Pechauer - 19
Sledgehammer - 19
Layani - 23
Schon - 24
Schuler - 30
P314 on schon - >>30

mike page
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[drivermaker]

Since you're up early (or is it late?) I'll treat you to the squirt pivot points of those cues. Hoping it's ok with you, I measure these as inches from the tip.

Patrick -- 15
Sherm - 15
Pechauer - 19
Sledgehammer - 19
Layani - 23
Schon - 24
Schuler - 30
P314 on schon - >>30

mike page
fargo

I appreciate the work you did here and it may interest some, but it doesn't rock my clock. I'd still like the original request from Koop and myself to be answered.

 

[Voodoo Daddy]

LOL!!!

Fred <~~~ against the trend

Glad you made it back from your short sabatical...

 

[Koop]

I appreciate the work you did here and it may interest some, but it doesn't rock my clock. I'd still like the original request from Koop and myself to be answered.

Me too Mike. Although if you are dead set on measuring from the tip, that's ok too as long as I have the total length to go by

 

[BRKNRUN]

Me too Mike. Although if you are dead set on measuring from the tip, that's ok too as long as I have the total length to go by

I have a deal for everyone....If you all will send me a cue from all the various cue makers, I will measure the overall length and weight..I will meaure the balance point from tip and butt end of the cue....and will also put it on a swing weight scale and list the swing weight for each cue.......Start sending me the cues...preferably nice ones....

Edit: I guess swing weight would not apply to a cue so I guess I could call it CBN.....(cue balance number)

 

[Koop]

I have a deal for everyone....If you all will send me a cue from all the various cue makers, I will measure the overall length and weight..I will meaure the balance point from tip and butt end of the cue....and will also put it on a swing weight scale and list the swing weight for each cue.......Start sending me the cues...preferably nice ones....

Edit: I guess swing weight would not apply to a cue so I guess I could call it CBN.....(cue balance number)

You've got a fancy Players cue on the way

 

[billfishhead]

wheres the Szamboti ?

 

[drivermaker]

I have a deal for everyone....If you all will send me a cue from all the various cue makers, I will measure the overall length and weight..I will meaure the balance point from tip and butt end of the cue....and will also put it on a swing weight scale and list the swing weight for each cue.......Start sending me the cues...preferably nice ones....

Edit: I guess swing weight would not apply to a cue so I guess I could call it CBN.....(cue balance number)

Please add a frequency machine to measure flex and a deflection board to measure bend point. If you don't do those measurements also, I would have to think your reasons for wanting us to send you all of these cues are highly suspect. Are you associated with the IPT also?

 

[mikepage]

Me too Mike. Although if you are dead set on measuring from the tip, that's ok too as long as I have the total length to go by

I'm not dead set on anything. I simply set them up to see what a range of balance points looks like together. I took a few pictures and them took the cues down. So I don't have any numbers.

I just now grabbed a couple of them and measured them.

Patrick 58.5 inches --balance 20.5 inches from the butt.
Schuler 58.0 inches - balance 17.5 inches from the butt.

The only thing I was pointing out earlier is that if you're going to give just one number for a cue, it is the balance point from the tip and not from the butt that is most relevant to the weight distribution a player will experience.
There are a lot of people who have been in this industry a long time who don't understand this.

The real interesting issue, I think, is what is the optimum weight
*distribution* in a cue for a given overall weight and balance and length.

Anyone know what happened to cuemaker Tony Matthews? He was going to implement some weight distribution idea we talked about a few years ago.

mike page
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[Koop]

I'm not dead set on anything. I simply set them up to see what a range of balance points looks like together. I took a few pictures and them took the cues down. So I don't have any numbers.

I just now grabbed a couple of them and measured them.

Patrick 58.5 inches --balance 20.5 inches from the butt.
Schuler 58.0 inches - balance 17.5 inches from the butt.
mike page
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I'll take the Patrick

My main reason for asking is that I have come to realize that I strongly prefer a forward balanced cue. Thanks again for taking the time.

Koop