cuemakers
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Makes me wonder why everyone now just tap the a hole in the forearm or handle and glue a metal stud there that tend to buzz later on.Ted Harris said:
Its not the stud that buzzes. Most times its the end graining from the handle face / forearm face. Which is why most some cues have a non-wood ring between the 2 cue parts.
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I have cues with rings in that area and still buzz.classiccues said:
I'm almost positive the stud causes it.
It is not usually the connecting screw that buzzes. The problem lies with the gluing of the endgrains together, which has in the past been tougher than it seems. The adhesives that are used today are much stronger than of the past, and adhesive technology has advanced to a new level. Of course, any joinery work that is not built, assembled, and glued properly, will possibly fail. Seems to me that if Zyler glues the endgrains together, he would be subject to the same failure rate (+-) as anyone that uses a metal connecting screw.Joseph Cues said:
I have come across several of his cues. None buzz. One I just bought was subjected to abuse in a hot desert California area for 3 years. The cue is dead straight has perfect reasonance.Ted Harris said:It is not usually the connecting screw that buzzes. The problem lies with the gluing of the endgrains together, which has in the past been tougher than it seems. The adhesives that are used today are much stronger than of the past, and adhesive technology has advanced to a new level. Of course, any joinery work that is not built, assembled, and glued properly, will possibly fail. Seems to me that if Zyler glues the endgrains together, he would be subject to the same failure rate (+-) as anyone that uses a metal connecting screw.
If I named all the cues that I have that buzz, it'd pee off the ACA.
It's not tough to join the forearm and the handle the right way. But, the easy and quick way is very prevalent in cuemaking imo.
A good number of cuemakers buy built parts from Prather then glue them and stamp their name on it.
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As a member of the ACA, my understanding is that buzzing cues are not what pee's off the ACA, it may however be the customers buzzing. LOL. The "right way" of joining the front and handle is subjective. One of the rules of application for admittance into the ACA is that you cannot become a member by buying prefab fronts or "kits" and assembling them. In fact, the standards have now risen to the point where you have to do spliced points, and inlays within inlays. Not to mention that all the other stuff that goes with it has to be very good work.Joseph Cues said:IIf I named all the cues that I have that buzz, it'd pee off the ACA.
It's not tough to join the forearm and the handle the right way. But, the easy and quick way is very prevalent in cuemaking imo.
A good number of cuemakers buy built parts from Prather then glue them and stamp their name on it.
Joseph Cues said:
Do you have any idea what ring I am talking about? I think Ted's just about covered all I think needs to be said here.
Joe
ClassicCues-
What you are referring to is commonly known as a buzz ring.
It deadens all vibration originating anywhere upcue of the grip, usually installed at the head of the grip butted up against the forearm. Usually made of Micarta or a similar material. Cue makers like Balabushka, Szamboti and Jensen use(d) this almost exclusively.
The only cue I play with are Bludworth's, which have no vibration that needs deadening, but I have hit some other makers cues that could use a ring.
What you are referring to is commonly known as a buzz ring.
It deadens all vibration originating anywhere upcue of the grip, usually installed at the head of the grip butted up against the forearm. Usually made of Micarta or a similar material. Cue makers like Balabushka, Szamboti and Jensen use(d) this almost exclusively.
The only cue I play with are Bludworth's, which have no vibration that needs deadening, but I have hit some other makers cues that could use a ring.
Yes. The ring between the handle and the forearm.classiccues said:
Like this one
I sold this cue. It had that buzz on it.
Placing a ring between the forearm and the handle kills a good amount reasonance.
Arnot refuses to put a ring in this area because it's a high stress area. He uses fiberglass stud, it that matters.
Here's a sample of his work.
Of course, cuemakers make cues their own way. To each his own I guess.
Joseph Cues said:
No thats not the ring. Kingcarem knows what ring I am talking about. Since you don't know the ring I am talking about, I won't go into a long explanation. But its to prevent wood/wood engraining. Some guys use it and some don't. Personally I do not believe it affects the hit all that much. The type of tip you use has more influence on hit than this ring. Now if you sold a cue with a "buzz" in it, I hope you told the guy, or at least gave Pete Ohmen a shot at correcting it.
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I will check my friend's x-rays of those cues tonite.
I believe the rings are around the bolt itself inside.
But, I'll find out for sure.