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CUES, To Copy or Not to Copy...MY Clarification
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Did Jerry receive a stimulus package from Obama to fund this project?
Was there a launching ceremony before the first cut?
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If I showed those cues to any person on the street, they'd say they look the same. My wife just did. I showed her a Cog, and she just said "that looks like the cue you had when we got married". Which was a Josey/Lilek. They look VERY similar.
I've shown the cues I've mentioned to people that aren't cue affectionados. They say they all look alike. I realize your trained eye can spot the difference, but 99% of the population can't. Hell, millions think the cue in TCOM is a Balabushka, when it's actually a Joss.
dom_poppa
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...and the insults begin.
Took you long enough. In your original post you even said you wanted a good discussion. From reading your posts in the past, it was a matter of time till you derailed your own thread.
Sure, the the billiardly uneducated, and YOU, may see similarities but you similarities in ALL traditional cues as well. BUT no two cues Keith, I, and Joe make are alike. In fact there are more differences between those cues than MOST traditional cues.
Just because someone can't distinguish between the obvious doesn't make and indiscretion...
That's like saying a Porsche looks like Bugatti because it has two doors, a roof, and 4 wheels... pretty pathetic actually.
What game are you playing?
You don't own or buy cues, and your specialty is imitating people who are actually in to pool cues.
The cutting & pasting you do does not count for your lack of experience with custom pool cues.
...and the insults begin.
Took you long enough. In your original post you even said you wanted a good discussion. From reading your posts in the past, it was a matter of time till you derailed your own thread.
YOU sir, were the one who started with the whole "he's just a copier too" rhetoric.
I'm explaining how that is absurd in a way you can understand... If you don't get it now, you never will....
Cogs are not Joseys and Josey's are not Cogs... They both are cues with different elemental designs. Whether I designed them or not doesn't make a copier out of them OR myself.
If you don't get that, there's no saving you...
Actually if you showed just about any two pool cues to someone on the street, they wouldn't care. Most likely they look at cues and say so...what. Now I am not a floating point guy, but I know the difference between a Cog and a Josey and never had an inkling of trouble distinguishing between the two. That was before I knew Tim was the designer.
I see floating point cues that do look the same all the time. Unique products used to provide the inlay templates and I have seen many newbies run with them.
JV
I see floating point cues that do look the same all the time. Unique products used to provide the inlay templates and I have seen many newbies run with them.
JV
Love reading that first sentence, and being called "uneducated".
Stick to speaking with computers. They understand you
Oh really,... OK, Then why don't you give him a call and ask him... For sure, since you make such a "definite" remark, you must know him AND have his contact info...
I'm sure after you talk to him you will come away with your tail between your legs but then again i am VERY confident YOU don't know him at all and won't call him....
I'll be waiting here with bated breath...
Love reading that first sentence, and being called "uneducated".
Stick to speaking with computers. They understand you
Where did I call YOU "uneducated"... If I called you anything, which I didn't, it's obvious now it should have been illiterate because it's obvious your reading comprehension is lower than I expected...
I love that your posts always resort to somehow trying to make yourself feel better by putting someone down. You should go ask for a hug
If someone brought me two cues that were unmarked and asked me to tell them if it was a Cog or a Josey, I couldn't tell by the inlays. I'd need to see the rings or the joint. You could make a brand new design for each that look similar to each other. I find 90% of your inlays look similar. Dan Breggin's cues looked like Keith's cues. That's when I first heard your name. Dan told me you programmed his inlay machine, as well as Keith's. Do Keith's cues have their own look? Yes. Do Joe's? Yes. But to really tell them apart, I'd need to check out the decorative rings, and not the inlays. Same with a 4 point Gus vs a 4 point Bushka. I'd need to look at different elements besides the 4 points. I'd look at the finish. And the maple used in the forearm. But if I saw a 4 point Hoppe style cue from across the room, I couldn't tell you if it was a Klein, a Szam, a Gilbert, a Jensen, etc, until I really got up close to it and had a good look. Now, a Gina? Could spot that from a mile away. Or a Black Boar.
Southwest Cues doesn't seem all that pissed that a ton of cuemakers use their design. They still have a long wait list. Yet I can probably find 5-6 cues that look like a Southwest in the first few pages of the for sale section.
Watches, Cars, Clothes, Houses,....etc... the list goes on...
I love that your posts always resort to somehow trying to make yourself feel better by putting someone down. You should go ask for a hug
If someone brought me two cues that were unmarked and asked me to tell them if it was a Cog or a Josey, I couldn't tell by the inlays. I'd need to see the rings or the joint. You could make a brand new design for each that look similar to each other. I find 90% of your inlays look similar. Dan Breggin's cues looked like Keith's cues. That's when I first heard your name. Dan told me you programmed his inlay machine, as well as Keith's. Do Keith's cues have their own look? Yes. Do Joe's? Yes. But to really tell them apart, I'd need to check out the decorative rings, and not the inlays. Same with a 4 point Gus vs a 4 point Bushka. I'd need to look at different elements besides the 4 points. I'd look at the finish. And the maple used in the forearm. But if I saw a 4 point Hoppe style cue from across the room, I couldn't tell you if it was a Klein, a Szam, a Gilbert, a Jensen, etc, until I really got up close to it and had a good look. Now, a Gina? Could spot that from a mile away. Or a Black Boar.
Southwest Cues doesn't seem all that pissed that a ton of cuemakers use their design. They still have a long wait list. Yet I can probably find 5-6 cues that look like a Southwest in the first few pages of the for sale section.
I didn't put YOU down Shawn... AND I never called you uneducated.. It's just another way of your one sided thinking of something that never occurred...
Honestly Shawn, the fact that YOU, who has supposedly made cues before, can't differentiate the difference between the S T Y L E of cues I design and the "similarity" of cues in general is just amazing.
Let me ask you this, how many makers make cues of a four point configuration? Now compare that to how many make cues with a layout and design direction similar to that of Cognoscenti, Josey, Colorado.... I don't have to wait for the answer because it's easy to at least come close to just by what you see in front of you.. The ratio has got to be at least 9 to 1 conservatively. THAT alone should take ME, at the least, out of any equation as far as the subject of copying, or copying myself as I'm being accused of..too funny actually... but you have those here who are disgruntled because at each pass I prove them inaccurate or less than knowledgeable at some point and they come out of the woodwork trying to discredit something so obvious in favor for myself. Hey, I'm not whining. I can hold my own with ANY of them because I only speak the truth with facts. It's all good
I DON'T COPY. Unless I copy myself...LOL:rotflmao:
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:bow-down: to the king of ignorance...
Like I said before, ya just can't write this stuff folks..:rotflmao1:
dom_poppa
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You're not accused of copying yourself.
I am accusing you of being part of the problem you so adamantly hate. You call yourself a designer and you dislike imitations and copies but you allow two cue makers to pass off your designs as their own without a care in the world.
If you care about originality, would you not want the two cue builders to build their own style of cues? They are not only passing off your designs as their own but they are both doing it simultaneously.
Clearly, you could have made an exclusive design for each but instead you didn't.
Who knows what other machine's you have programmed to produce this style.