Pictured in my head that kid in class that always shot his hand up squirming in his chair to be called on bcuz he knew the answer.Right, it screams big FED energy.
Custom Cue with Ivory
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Well I did not think that ivory on a 1920s cue would be banned- is there not a pre- ban period for items- or, in certain states, is any ivory considered banned from commerce?
I believe there are Six States where it is completely verboten, no sale, no transfer, no antique exceptions.
If you die your heirs can only surrender it to state fish and wildlife or feds.
Apparently I did miss the point. I try to be a student of life, though. So if you'd like to explain it, I'm all ears.
You need to check your State laws. I was told that in many States it is legal to use it for cues staying in the cuemaker's State.
Ordering one from out of State violates the Interstate Ivory trade band. I could be wrong on any of this as laws often contradict themselves. So I am just sharing what my understanding of things are.
Over the course of my life I've been around enough people who operated in less than legal areas to know that it's not my business to talk about their dealings.Right, it screams big FED energy.
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The joint does have a lot to do with the hit.......
He hasn't used it for quite a while (I think since the mid 2010s)
Mine was made in 2014.
I haven't ever talked to him about it. I'll have to ask next time I see him.
I'd be a little surprised if he wouldn't do it for a local FL guy, but you just don't know these days...
wrong. more than one blind test has proved otherwise. believe what you want.
HustlersWife
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I've been in Mottey's shop, Dennis Searing's shop and Gentry's shop. I didn't see any. I also was more fascinated with the machinery. I had a lot of cues.There are all kinds of people on here who go to cuemakers shops regularly and can 100% say if they're using ivory or not
HustlersWife
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Yes, but I think it can be seized for verification if without documentation. I had a Tascarella held up at customs. I had it with the paperwork he had to provide provenance and age.
Mike,
Unfortunately neither the age nor origin of the ivory creates an exception under the current ivory bans.
As you well know, ivory already in the USA prior to 1976 is commonly referred to as pre-ban ivory. It
is because this is when African elephants were first listed under CITES. Thereafter, sales of ivory across
state lines (interstate commerce) in 2016 became illegal unless the item was a bona fide antique (over 100
years or older) or met the de minimis exception. Neither of those exceptions apply to intrastate transactions
in any states that have enacted a ban on ivory sales. The sovereignty of those states to enact laws restricting
ivory sales has been long recognized by SCOTUS in other landmark decision cases constitutionally upheld.
A 1920’s Brunswick cue meets the criteria for ICC purposes that involve shipping and sellling. The remaining
question are state laws applicable to the cue seller, cue buyer and cue maker. All 3 have to reside in states that
don’t restrict the sale of ivory. Remember each state writes their own version so check before you act to be safe.
Daves custom cues
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Wonder if there is anyone actually policing the ivory ban anymore.... Maybe customs does for stuff entering the country. But in state? I doubt there is anyone even qualified to identify it.
Don't ask, don't tell, and certainly don't post pictures on the internet.
Walrus tusk ??
Don't ask, don't tell, and certainly don't post pictures on the internet.
Walrus tusk ??
If you are getting paid to do a job, then you should do it. I know there are a lot of people that are slackers.
They will work harder to avoid doing the work than actually performing the task at hand. Be that as it may,
the majority of federal employees want to do a good job and so they perform their duties to their best ability.
So if you feel lucky, or really confident, buy and sell cues as you please and don’t worry about getting caught.
But…..and there is always one even if it turns out to be you…..don’t cry alligator tears if you ever are arrested.
It is akin to a DUI that you never think about until it happens. Then the reality of legal bills smack you in the face.
I happen to abide by the law. So I’ve got nothing to fear and I am pleased with the cues I’ve collected. However,
whenever I see ivory being illegally sold, like a seller in NY or NJ selling a ivory laden cue, I report them just as I
expect others would, or should, do with if it was me. Obey the law or change it but griping does nothing at all so
If you chose to break it, then suffer the consequences if you get into trouble. That’s what happens in the real world.
p.s. Remember there is only a handful of states that have enacted any ivory ban so America is still wide open.
They will work harder to avoid doing the work than actually performing the task at hand. Be that as it may,
the majority of federal employees want to do a good job and so they perform their duties to their best ability.
So if you feel lucky, or really confident, buy and sell cues as you please and don’t worry about getting caught.
But…..and there is always one even if it turns out to be you…..don’t cry alligator tears if you ever are arrested.
It is akin to a DUI that you never think about until it happens. Then the reality of legal bills smack you in the face.
I happen to abide by the law. So I’ve got nothing to fear and I am pleased with the cues I’ve collected. However,
whenever I see ivory being illegally sold, like a seller in NY or NJ selling a ivory laden cue, I report them just as I
expect others would, or should, do with if it was me. Obey the law or change it but griping does nothing at all so
If you chose to break it, then suffer the consequences if you get into trouble. That’s what happens in the real world.
p.s. Remember there is only a handful of states that have enacted any ivory ban so America is still wide open.
Thanks- they certainly won't be able to find the cue maker on my 1920's Brunswick -- He is sleeping with the elephant that contributed to his cue. !
HustlersWife
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If there were any one perfect joint, all the cue makers would be using it. I think it comes down to how it hits "for you"