Custom Cues: What's Hot, What's Not

quit picking on the little guy....

what's the deal here. everyone was asked for their opinions. someone did just that. Then he was hated for making that opinionated statement, and when he recinded his statement, he STILL kept getting attacked. really, get some friggin lives people. sounds like there's some bleeding heart liberals who need to jump on a bandwagon. when is someone wrong for having an opinion?


JUST AN OPINION-no different than SHORTY...just 3ft taller.
 
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Hey Folks, why not just drop this thread. No more posting. That would be the best thing.
blud
 
Celtic said:
One of us was most definately fooled. By all means, remove the pics, I dont need you hosting them. I used to think you were cool, you had me fooled, these last couple days you have changed my opinion with your posting record. I especially like the "Nyah Nyah" post you made asking DM when he is getting out of "jail", really classy move. You got lucky you were not banned yourself, you caused all the angst in the first place. DM may have been swearing and such but about 90% of the people on that thread thought your thread was in extremely poor taste and said so without all the swears. You are acting like a 12 year old in the schoolyard atm getting away with being a unreal twit and then rubbing it in the face of the members of this board.
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I will be glad to host the pics for you on my site. Let me know when you want me to put them up...no problem.
 
The thing that brought up the problem is,u guys dont stick to the topic.

The only this that DEGAMO88 asked is,"What's hot these days in terms of cuemakers, cue designs, construction techniques, parts, etc?"

So u guys should just stick to the topic and just give out ur opinion,there's no need to comment about other people post,whether they are wrong or right.Everyone in this world have different opinion about certain things,u cant change that someone to be exactly like u.

So this is what u guys did,that is why u guys ended up quarelling.I dont really see why we must stop posting on this thread,there's nothing wrong with it.So i suggest u guys to forget about the past,and start something new.And always remember to stick to the topic.

Thank You
 
Just based on a universal principal.....supply and demand

supply goes up, demand goes down

It has to be a good cue to begin with, but lets face it, there are a LOT of good cue makers out there.

The cues in demand are the ones who only make a limited supply (or dead).

Does a Josswest really play that much better than a nice Schon? Is it the name? Is it the supply?
 
zeeder said:
Jim,

Just out of curiosity, which part of the post do you feel is not true?



While playability is very subective, I would put my new Skip Weston up against any other cuemakers work for execution, design and playability! He may not be doing wild designs like Thomas Wayne, Ginacue or McWorter, but what he does he does extremely well. I'm very interested in your opinions of where you feel Skip falls short. Thanks in advance for your insight!

Zack
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Well to be honest I think Skip's work is great, I've said it many times, I've also pointed out that I own a cue made by skip. But this thread was about who's hot, the person went on and said his value will sky rocket when the new BB comes out. That is speculation at best. If anything most people's sales will drop when it comes out because there will be a large number of cuemakers listed that most have never heard of regional guys like Skip, with more choices comes less business. Also not only don't I agree that his cues hit second to none, I'm not really a fan of his hit at all, I've hit with 10+ cues made by Skip and the alarming thing is they all hit very different, if they were consistently bad IMO I think it would be better because as you've said it is subjective. But again this guy just gave an ad for Skip he didn't say who was hot, if you didn't get that from the post then I guess I can't explain it. But again trying to stay on topic (hot or not) let's take into account my criteria wait list, resale, availability. Do you feel you can get more for it then you paid on e-bay?? How long did you wait for it? Can I buy one tomorrow at a nice price? Skip is a nice guy who does great points, around here he has a few guys who push him very hard and that's great, but I just wouldn't call him hot. Again my "HOT" cue would be a southwest, Hercek, DPK, Schick or Szamboti. Now I didn't say those guy's made better cues or their points were better or even that they play better, but try to order one? Get one and put it on e-bay watch what happens. Hot to me means people really want them and you can't get them. Again just my opinion, of course Joe wants to try and make this an attack, but he tries to push Skip and gets mad any time I mention his name no matter how many times I say Skip does nice work.Jim
 
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JimBo said:
Well to be honest I think Skip's work is great, I've said it many times, I've also pointed out that I own a cue made by skip. But this thread was about who's hot, the person went on and said his value will sky rocket when the new BB comes out. That is speculation at best. If anything most people's sales will drop when it comes out because there will be a large number of cuemakers listed that most have never heard of regional guys like Skip, with more choices comes less business. Also not only don't I agree that his cues hit second to none, I'm not really a fan of his hit at all, I've hit with 10+ cues made by Skip and the alarming thing is they all hit very different, if they were consistently bad IMO I think it would be better because as you've said it is subjective. But again this guy just gave an ad for Skip he didn't say who was hot, if you didn't get that from the post then I guess I can't explain it. But again trying to stay on topic (hot or not) let's take into account my criteria wait list, resale, availability. Do you feel you can get more for it then you paid on e-bay?? How long did you wait for it? Can I buy one tomorrow at a nice price? Skip is a nice guy who does great points, around here he has a few guys who push him very hard and that's great, but I just wouldn't call him hot. Again my "HOT" cue would be a southwest, Hercek, DPK, Schick or Szamboti. Now I didn't say those guy's made better cues or their points were better or even that they play better, but try to order one? Get one and put it on e-bay watch what happens. Hot to me means people really want them and you can't get them. Again just my opinion, of course Joe wants to try and make this an attack, but he tries to push Skip and gets mad any time I mention his name no matter how many times I say Skip does nice work.Jim
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First, no I don't think its an attack. Second I think the post is just uninforming and lots of it on YOUR part is speculation. No one can say for sure if the BB3 will help or hurt anyone. Hit is subjective, and as its been said here by many people, cue hit similarity between cues is not that common. In fact in the conversation South West was being discussed, and its been pointed out they all hit different. So I wouldn't expect any less from any cuemaker. Over the last two years Skip has been trying different assembly techniques, which could also skew his "hit". Also as far as hit, it would have been more informing, and truthful to say that if you get an ebony nosed (uncored) forearm cue with a flat faced joint, and like it, don't order a maple nosed, steel jointed cue and expect the exact same "hit". If you hit with 10+ of Skips cues, I doubt they were all made the same. (not even taking into account your ability to recall a particular hit over any time frame) Example, the two James White cues we have, the eb/eb SW tribute and the SS titlist. If you hit with one and expect the other to be identical in hit and playability, I would ask you to take up a new hobby. There are also a plethora of other reasons cues hit differently and probably a good discussion for another thread.
Since his production is cut way back, it is harder to find Skips at any price. You will wait anywhere from 6 mos to a year for a new Skip. (unless you take a blank that is finished already) This seems to be right in line with quite a few cuemakers deliveries. Hot or not, I couldn't tell you since its been 6 or 8 mos since I have had a "new" cue to sell.
Now as for your criteria to whats hot, is obviously different from the original posters criteria. I looked at some of the lists and to see some names that I only associate with AZBiliiards forum, it was a decent chuckle. Hot can be relative, based on location, price and other mitigating factors. So as all other polls, its just opinion.


Joe
 
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Hot..

Trading
False lead times and availability
Any cue where the wait is over two years
Any cue a collector tries to become the number one collector of


Not...

Out right cash buying
Actually holding to your order book/list regardless of who has more money
Cues liquidated on Ebay
Any cue a collector is bailing out of

Joe
 
classiccues said:
Hot..

Trading
False lead times and availability
Any cue where the wait is over two years
Any cue a collector tries to become the number one collector of


Not...

Out right cash buying
Actually holding to your order book/list regardless of who has more money
Cues liquidated on Ebay
Any cue a collector is bailing out of

Joe
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i agree with joe. swapping and bartering for cues where little or no money is involved is more fun than just buying a cue outright. how about a pool cue "swap-a-palooza", where cue enthusiasts can get together and check out other enthusiast's cues, have their cues checked out, and make some deals. everyone gets something new to play with!

having bought and sold quite a few cues on ebay, i have to say i think that venue has run it's course for most enthusiasts. i'm not sure whether it's too many scams or a bad economy, but the cue business has certainly become much more difficult on ebay. how many cue auctions get pulled off for "the item is no longer for sale"? i'm a newbie to this site, but it seems there is a lot of good interaction here, some buying and selling between members that seems to work out well.

guy
 
matthew staton said:
I don't mind your cues I have had 6 of them and a jump cue and all 6 the feurells came unglued no big deal. YA make a lot of cues and some people seem to love your cues. I think there average cue just my opinion.I am with shortie when he said ,there on the cold list to . It seems the resale of your cues on ebay seem to be a dead market.I have seen two realy nice cues ya made on ebay that have not even gotten one bid and the retail was $1,800 and the guy only wanted $750 with a load of ivory in it. So I would have to say your cues seem to not have good resale value and ya jack the prices up and only use one joint pin that makes it a pain to get a new shaft for but thats more money in your pocket I guess. I wish ya all luck with your cues and you are a smart maker but your resale does suck maybe ya just make to many cues or maybe you might just become the next DALE PERRY. JUSt MY 2 CENTS.
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Let's see here:
1: $500 deposit with design, 2 months later, don't know what I am talking about.
2: 1 $6,600 cue with 1 warped shaft that took 15 months to replace.
3: Fronted 4 cues at expo and wanted them back 3 weeks later.
4: 1 $1,800 Pink Ivory cue with warped shaft.
5: 1 $5,000 cue with 5 flaws in the finish and uneven joint collor.
6: Requested to lie to McDermott about cue order.
7: Told me that he wrote bad check to pay for an elephant tusk and needed money. I purchased the $6,600 cue to help him out in this one.
8: Threatened to inform my employer that I smoked some of his pot. Thus threatening my lively hood. (sp) ( This seems to be his biggest gripe and he does it himself)
I think deserves a spot on my NOT HOT list, what do ya think buddy.
Good call Shorty!!!!!!!!! Welcome to the HATE list. You are in good company. Bill Stroud, Dan Janes, Richard Black, Thomas Wayne, and the entire American Cuemakers Association along with anybody else that doesn't agree with him. This is not just my humble opinion, it is all true.
Purdman ;)
 
Donald A. Purdy said:
Let's see here:
1: $500 deposit with design, 2 months later, don't know what I am talking about.
2: 1 $6,600 cue with 1 warped shaft that took 15 months to replace.
3: Fronted 4 cues at expo and wanted them back 3 weeks later.
4: 1 $1,800 Pink Ivory cue with warped shaft.
5: 1 $5,000 cue with 5 flaws in the finish and uneven joint collor.
6: Requested to lie to McDermott about cue order.
7: Told me that he wrote bad check to pay for an elephant tusk and needed money. I purchased the $6,600 cue to help him out in this one.
8: Threatened to inform my employer that I smoked some of his pot. Thus threatening my lively hood. (sp) ( This seems to be his biggest gripe and he does it himself)
I think deserves a spot on my NOT HOT list, what do ya think buddy.
Good call Shorty!!!!!!!!! Welcome to the HATE list. You are in good company. Bill Stroud, Dan Janes, Richard Black, Thomas Wayne, and the entire American Cuemakers Association along with anybody else that doesn't agree with him. This is not just my humble opinion, it is all true.
Purdman ;)
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For posterity in case you decide to delete.

Great post!

Brickman, what's you legal misiterpretation of the above?
 
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Donald A. Purdy said:
Let's see here:

8: Threatened to inform my employer that I smoked some of his pot. Thus threatening my lively hood. (sp) ( This seems to be his biggest gripe and he does it himself).
Purdman ;)
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Who did that?
 
JimBo said:
Shorty didn't attack Blud, he didn't say his cues sucked, he added him to a list of the cues he felt weren't hot at the time. It was his opinion and had more names on it then just blud's. Blud has every right to disagree, but he did more and attacked Shorty for giving his opinion. I think Blud needs to take a higher road, not that he can't post what he did, he just shouldn't have, anyone who thinks it would have had an impact on his business is just not well informed.

Jim
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Exactly who the hell listens to shorty anyway... LOL. :D

Blud hurt himself more by coming back with guns blazing in a defensive manner...

If Blud can charge what he wants to build a cue and gets what he charges, why should he care if one collector won't buy his stuff anymore and thinks the resale value makes it a bad investment...

the first five or ten posts were positive for the beginning collector (whether the opinions were right or wrong) it opened up healty debate about styles, prices and perceived values of cues... to bad this thread went into the crapper :rolleyes:
 
daytonajoe said:
Its ok Bill Clinton didn't INHALE either !!!!

Cripp'n to YA!!

Joe
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Don't yall know that stuff stunts your growth? "rolls his eyes"
:rolleyes:

Shorty
 
The Southwest ...

Actually in mentioning the Southwest that my friend has,
I stated something wrong. He paid $2,000 for it, but he
bought it off of another guy he knew that was having
financial difficulties at the time. I said it was a $2,000
cue because my friend paid that, but actually I think it
was more in the neighborhood of being a 2,800 to 3,200 cue.

And he has had it for some years now, and I believe he
mentioned the guy originally waited 2-3 years for the
cue to be done.

Heaven forbid that I should make a mistake. I might get sued.

just a thought - But Earl probably could sue a lot of people on
here for libel if opinions were really the 'gospel'.
 
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This is what I miss when I go to the US Open??

From what I've read, Brickman is in the minority with his thinking, and rightfully so. Maybe his attorney friend is lawyerswife's husband from earlier threads. She didn't know what she was talking about either.

Sure that cuemaker could sue, but in this country, you can sue anyone for anything. It doesn't mean you're right or that you'll win. It would probably not even make it to trial because no law has even been broken. If it did, the cuemaker would lose because it's not illegal to voice your opinion, no matter what "expertise" that person has as a buyer, seller, collector, et cetera. By Brickman's definition, labelling a cue as "not hot" would be libellous.

And no attorney, or any person with remote knowledge of the law, would confuse slander with libel.
 
DEGAMO88 said:
What's hot these days in terms of cuemakers,
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Becoming a cuemaker seems to be hot.

Leather wraps
Thinner shafts
Attention to the balance point
Tulipwood and snakewood
I hope the use of ivory becomes hot again.

Everything is hot.

And, IMO, I don't know what's odder, to ask what cuemaker is hot or to answer. Of course, everyone has a right to expose their opinion, but if they are building cues, and they're selling them, they're hot.

Fred <~~~ doesn't know how to judge if a cuemaker is hot... unless she has red hair
 
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