Cutting wood

[billiardbum]

Ok, Maybe I should not have said useless, but here is an example of what I said earlyer. Once you learn to use this method you won't want to use a fence ever again.....Well....maybe not. Even at 45 degree tilt no problem. All you have to do is keed the edge of the board against the block of wood. I think it's much easier then a fence. So easy a cave man can do it!!

Band saws will not wander if you have the right guides and blades. After 1 year of figuring this out, this is the issue in a nut shell. I can get a 10 inch $80 bansaw to cut without wandering with the right blade and guides. Blades are $11 and guides just need to be adjusted right for most band saws. Oh yeah and you do need a fence also...

 

[MVPCues]

Ok, Maybe I should not have said useless, but here is an example of what I said earlyer. Once you learn to use this method you won't want to use a fence ever again.....Well....maybe not. Even at 45 degree tilt no problem. All you have to do is keed the edge of the board against the block of wood. I think it's much easier then a fence. So easy a cave man can do it!!

How is that easier than a fence? With a fence, you lift the handle, slide it to where you want it to be reading the scale so your cut is the appropriate thickness, and clamp it in place? Say that was a 1 inch cut. You now need it 2 inches? Lift the handle, slide it to 2 inches, and clamp down on the handle. 4 seconds to change from a 1 inch cut to a 2 inch cut. How is what you pictured easier than that? I just don't follow...

Kelly

 

[bubsbug]

How is that easier than a fence? With a fence, you lift the handle, slide it to where you want it to be reading the scale so your cut is the appropriate thickness, and clamp it in place? Say that was a 1 inch cut. You now need it 2 inches? Lift the handle, slide it to 2 inches, and clamp down on the handle. 4 seconds to change from a 1 inch cut to a 2 inch cut. How is what you pictured easier than that? I just don't follow...

Kelly

It is easer, trust me on this one. This is what they use in the furniture making industry. You still have to measure between the blade and the fence for best accuracy. If I had say 5,000 rips to make at say 1/4 inch, I garentee you that I would be done hours befor you and have a more accurate peice on the 5,000 yeild. Just try it and see, Or don't. This is just what we used in ferdinand Indiana, Jasper IN,and in High Point North Carolina which is the furniture capitol of the U.S.A.

 

[bubsbug]

Band saws will not wander if you have the right guides and blades. After 1 year of figuring this out, this is the issue in a nut shell. I can get a 10 inch $80 bansaw to cut without wandering with the right blade and guides. Blades are $11 and guides just need to be adjusted right for most band saws. Oh yeah and you do need a fence also...

I agree with you that its all about maintaining your machine and keeping good sharp blades and good guides and good bearings. But all machines will wonder! More important is selecting the right blade for the right job. Too many teeth in the wood and the blade gets hot faster which is the biggest killer of all blades. Some manufacture blades are also alot better than others. There is usually less wonder in riping because typicaly the blade is wider, try riping with a 1/8" blade it doesnt take long for it to start wondering.

 

[MVPCues]

It is easer, trust me on this one. This is what they use in the furniture making industry. You still have to measure between the blade and the fence for best accuracy. If I had say 5,000 rips to make at say 1/4 inch, I garentee you that I would be done hours befor you and have a more accurate peice on the 5,000 yeild. Just try it and see, Or don't. This is just what we used in ferdinand Indiana, Jasper IN,and in High Point North Carolina which is the furniture capitol of the U.S.A.

It takes you less than 4 seconds to go from a 1 inch cut to a 2 inch cut? You can unclamp that piece of wood, move it, measure, and reclamp it in less than 4 seconds? You must be the Flash.

You "garentee" you would be done hours before I would? That is some boast considering you have no idea what kind of saw I have. You also guarantee your cuts would be more accurate? That is hard for me to understand coming from someone who said all bandsaws wander, so fences are useless. You gonna do this on a machine with a wandering blade and have more accurate cuts than me? Wow.

You are my hero.

Kelly

 

[bubsbug]

It takes you less than 4 seconds to go from a 1 inch cut to a 2 inch cut? You can unclamp that piece of wood, move it, measure, and reclamp it in less than 4 seconds? You must be the Flash.

You "garentee" you would be done hours before I would? That is some boast considering you have no idea what kind of saw I have. You also guarantee your cuts would be more accurate? That is hard for me to understand coming from someone who said all bandsaws wander, so fences are useless. You gonna do this on a machine with a wandering blade and have more accurate cuts than me? Wow.

You are my hero.

Kelly

You dont think That all machines have the potential to wonder???? It not necessarly the machine that causes the wonder. Blade quality and proper maintance are mostly the cause.

Try this one. let me see you rip 100 peices of a pine 2x4 at 1/32"! Try both ways and get back to me!!!

Dude I know the answer, I have cut myself to many times to count when cutting very small peices while using a fence. For me I can get my fat fingers around and out of the way using the block of wood much better as apposed to the fence. When your working in a factory it's all about "SPEED", Production I think they call it. If your smart though, you dont have to measure, because you allready made yourself a small block at desired width. Put the block between the blade and fence and you done.

Going back to what Jim said, You dont really need a fence to cut the corner off squares! This is not precession work.

Heck I got to the point where I didnt have to trace a pattern to make Queen-ann legs for coffiee tables. Cut one side, tape all of the peices back to gether, rotate square stock 90 degrees, recut desired shape and the peice that is in the middle becomes you leg.

 

[MVPCues]

You dont think That all machines have the potential to wonder???? It not necessarly the machine that causes the wonder. Blade quality and proper maintance are mostly the cause.

Sure they do. After several people have explained that to you now, I'm glad you understand that saying "all blades wander" and "all machines have the potential to wonder" are two very different things.

Try this one. let me see you rip 100 peices of a pine 2x4 at 1/32"! Try both ways and get back to me!!!

I don't need to. I never said what you posted a picture of had no uses. I never said it couldn't be a valuable piece of information. I said your picture did not make fences useless, which was your claim. I said it was not easier than using a fence, which was your claim. You still have not explained to me how it can be easier than using a fence for something as simple as making a 1 inch thick cut, then unclamping, sliding the fence an inch, and clamping to make a 2 inch cut, total time to move the fence is 4 seconds.

Dude I know the answer, I have cut myself to many times to count when cutting very small peices while using a fence. For me I can get my fat fingers around and out of the way using the block of wood much better as apposed to the fence. When your working in a factory it's all about "SPEED", Production I think they call it. If your smart though, you dont have to measure, because you allready made yourself a small block at desired width.

Your original post was about all blades wandering (not having the potential to wander), so fences were useless. If you cut yourself too many times while cutting small pieces using a fence, you were being unsafe.

Put the block between the blade and fence and you done.

I thought fences were useless? How can that be easier than using a fence when a fence is involved?

Going back to what Jim said, You dont really need a fence to cut the corner off squares! This is not precession work.

I never said you did. In fact, I believe I posed that I don't use a fence when I cut corners off either, I made myself a platform that locks in the miter slot. What does this have to do with fences being useless and the setup in your picture being easier to use then a fence?

Heck I got to the point where I didnt have to trace a pattern to make Queen-ann legs for coffiee tables. Cut one side, tape all of the peices back to gether, rotate square stock 90 degrees, recut desired shape and the peice that is in the middle becomes you leg.

I am happy for you. That has nothing to do with you saying fences are useless, all blades wander, and using a clamp and a block of wood that you have to unclamp, move, measure, and then clamp again is easier than using a fence.

Kelly

 

[tsp&b]

discussions vs duel

Trying to have a discussion with some folks is a lot like dueling with an unarmed man.

 

[Craig Fales]

All bandsaws have blade drift...with a v groove jig you can compensate for it on a flat table...

 

[rhncue]

You dont think That all machines have the potential to wonder???? It not necessarly the machine that causes the wonder. Blade quality and proper maintance are mostly the cause.

Try this one. let me see you rip 100 peices of a pine 2x4 at 1/32"! Try both ways and get back to me!!!

Dude I know the answer, I have cut myself to many times to count when cutting very small peices while using a fence. For me I can get my fat fingers around and out of the way using the block of wood much better as apposed to the fence. When your working in a factory it's all about "SPEED", Production I think they call it. If your smart though, you dont have to measure, because you allready made yourself a small block at desired width. Put the block between the blade and fence and you done.

Going back to what Jim said, You dont really need a fence to cut the corner off squares! This is not precession work.

Heck I got to the point where I didnt have to trace a pattern to make Queen-ann legs for coffiee tables. Cut one side, tape all of the peices back to gether, rotate square stock 90 degrees, recut desired shape and the peice that is in the middle becomes you leg.

There is a difference between wander and drift. If the blade wanders then the saw is not set up right or a dull blade is being used. Drift is completely a different animal and most band saws have it but it is easily controlled by the use of a band saw fence which is not the same as a table saw fence.

The use of a block of wood like you are using has been in use for as long as there have been band saws but they are not usually used for re-sawing straight lines, they usually are used for cutting contours at a predetermined width. You draw a line on your wood and place the block the right distance from the blade and then you can easily follow that line. It could be used for a straight cut but then a line needs to be drawn for each cut.

Dick