Daryl Peach on Efren Reyes...
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BlowFish said:
Are you referring to his world 8-ball titles?
I mentioned the on world title in 9-ball because
for the past 20 years it's been the main pool game
played by pros. Now back in the 70's 14.1 was still
the big game and so 9-ball titles didn't carry the
signifigance back then as they do today.
Mr441 said:bruin70 said:
man,,,you can't start doing this comparison thing. what an arbitrary comparison for you to make efren a "15 handicap" beating woods and mickelson!!! that's just defining your data to suit your argument.
the "entry level" to 9ball is so low.....it is a game that allows a hot A++ player to beat a pro like reyes or strickland on any given day. i mean,,,,,this is my problem with 9ball in the first place. it is a dumb game.
and maybe,,,,just maybe, 3 cushion is a game that truely tests one's skill with little or less luck involved than 9ball. it is a pointless comparison.
so if my brother saw hawaiian brian run a table of snooker, why the hell should i not believe efren could do the same.
but i don't have to defend reyes. where i say "why not", i guess everyone else is saying "no way".
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bruin70 said:man,,,you can't start doing this comparison thing
the "entry level" to 9ball is so low.....it is a game that allows a hot A++ player to beat a pro like reyes or strickland on any given day. i mean,,,,,this is my problem with 9ball in the first place. it is a dumb game.
and maybe,,,,just maybe, 3 cushion is a game that truely tests one's skill with little or less luck involved than 9ball. it is a pointless comparison.
so if my brother saw hawaiian brian run a table of snooker, why the hell should i not believe efren could do the same.
but i don't have to defend reyes. where i say "why not", i guess everyone else is saying "no way".
What A++ player have you seen beat a top pro in 9-ball? You don't think 9-ball tests ones skills?
IMO 9-ball and all rotation games are the hardest to play because you are forced to play position for a particular ball, not one of your choosing like in straight or one pocket.
What size table did Brian make a clearance? Because most snooker tables in the U.S. are 5 x 10 as opposed to the 12 footers in the UK. Also most snooker pockets
I've seen here are very loose compared to the standard 3 5/16" in the UK.
The reason I doubt the Daryl Peach story is because I saw Stephen Hendry play at his best many times between 1992-1996 and he was simply awesome then, I've heard he's not quite the same now. Then I hear that O'Sullivan is even better now than Hendry was then, I can't even imagine that, I saw O'Sullivan play back then and he was great but not yet better than Hendry.
Even then I would take him over Reyes in any cuesport, and if he's better now! I shudder to think of the outcome.
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Mr441 said:
we must be on az at the same time
you can take any local tournament when some pro enters for the f*ck of it, and he doesn't win. it's not a given. heck,,,i was a C when i beat a local open player 5-0. no luck involved,,,,i was just HOT at the time. it happens. 9ball makes it happen.
actually, i don't see how you can have such a high opinion of 9ball when you seem to know some 3 cushion and snooker.
i can't take the weight of your argument when i think 9ball is a stupid game to draw comparisons against, but you think it's a testing game...... and there we both stand. i mean,,,what i'm getting from all this, and this seems to be something no one has really addressed, is that you all think peach is lying,,,,right?(except for "the one", who thinks peach is not telling us everything)
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Most American's idea of snooker is completely different to the the reality. Tournament tables are extreemly tight and fast. Much Much tighter than the average club table in the UK, Australia, Canada or America etc.. My old club in the Uk had a couple of Pro tables for the club pro's to practice on, insainly difficult. There is just no way in the world you could play these tables with a pool cue and the large tip and make any significant break. From what I have seen and heard most of the tables in America have napless cloths, pool table pockets or are smaller in size. This just not mean that Efren couldn't have competed with the snooker players if he concentrated on it and the conditions and support to practise it and compete. After all he did win the ASEAN snooker title didn't he? But take it from me he would have NO CHANCE of beaten Ronnie with any cue never mind a pool cue on a standard table. But then again at the moment Ronnie is just on another planet. I'm curious is the snooker shown on American TV, I get the impression its not because there seems to be a lack of appreciation at just how good he is at the moment.
WIth regards to playing snooker mainly with centre ball! Spoken by a true non snooker player no doubt! I like many snooker players grew up playing most shots with side and I am currently trying to adjust to using a predator cue what I am using for 9 ball given that there is no deflection. I am now having to learn to play more centre ball shots than I ever did playing snooker, and I don't have to adjust for the deflection which makes the pots much much easier
WIth regards to playing snooker mainly with centre ball! Spoken by a true non snooker player no doubt! I like many snooker players grew up playing most shots with side and I am currently trying to adjust to using a predator cue what I am using for 9 ball given that there is no deflection. I am now having to learn to play more centre ball shots than I ever did playing snooker, and I don't have to adjust for the deflection which makes the pots much much easier
bruin70 said:
Thanks for spotting that, I'm sure he's not lying. I just think there's more to it. Maybe it was a light hearted game just a mess around. I don't know there could be a lot of things that was missed out about what happened. I just can't see how Efren could beat Ronnie even with a pool cue? Also nobody else who witnessed it has come out and added any more info?
TheOne said:
i'm guessing no one has had reason to question peach's statement,,,except for this tough crowd at AZ
there's simply no reason to come out and confirm peach's statement if it is well known or if there is no controversy to begin with. otherwise someone would have come out and said "yeah, but o'sullivan had to shoot with the butt end of his cue",,,,or something.if peach says "i saw,,,,,,with a pool cue", then i have to think he would mention any aberrance to the match. jmo, and why i accept it for what it is.
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bruin70 said:i'm guessing no one has had reason to question peach's statement,,,except for this tough crowd at AZ
if peach says "i saw,,,,,,with a pool cue", then i have to think he would mention any aberrance to the match. jmo, and why i accept it for what it is.
So you think it was a seruous game for cash and Efren beat them both off even on a standard snooker table?
TheOne said:
well, i won't read into how "serious" the game was. no way for me to tell or infer based on an extraction of an interview. either it was a straight up legit match, or peach DESIRES to leave a certain impression of reyes, and won't reveal all.
say,,,,aren't you going to be traveling through england sometime soon?
Reyes would murder Ronnie at anything other than snooker unless O'Sullivan is a secret one pocket,straight pool, and rotation master. I doubt Reyes can compete with any of the top billiard players in the long run. I have the tapes of Blomdahl running 60 pts/17 innings, Sayginer doing 50pts/14 innings, etc.. and no pool player is going to come close to playing with these guys for long. Efren versus David Matlock at three cushion might be interesting though...
A local pool room owner says he heard Boston Shorty tell people before he played Ceuelemens a long time ago that he was going to lock him up with defense,not leave him anything good to shoot at,etc... Ceulemens drilled him 50 to 10 or something.
They used to show some snooker on tv about ten years ago but not anymore.There's a site, snookermag.com, where they sell a ton of matches and have versions that play on American dvd players. They have the 2005 Masters where Ronnie went nuts and played like Jesus with a skinny stick. His opponents talk about him now like golfers talked about Tiger Woods the year he won everything.
Question for the One: the snooker table I play on is supposed to actually be an English Billiards table. What are the differences? I've heard the cut on the pocket is different and a little tighter than a normal snooker table.
A local pool room owner says he heard Boston Shorty tell people before he played Ceuelemens a long time ago that he was going to lock him up with defense,not leave him anything good to shoot at,etc... Ceulemens drilled him 50 to 10 or something.
They used to show some snooker on tv about ten years ago but not anymore.There's a site, snookermag.com, where they sell a ton of matches and have versions that play on American dvd players. They have the 2005 Masters where Ronnie went nuts and played like Jesus with a skinny stick. His opponents talk about him now like golfers talked about Tiger Woods the year he won everything.
Question for the One: the snooker table I play on is supposed to actually be an English Billiards table. What are the differences? I've heard the cut on the pocket is different and a little tighter than a normal snooker table.
TheOne said:
No we don't get snooker on tv here, but I would give
ANYTHING to see it on tv. I buy tapes from a source I
have, I have loads of matches from the Embassy and
Masters events from the past 10 years. It must seem
odd for you to hear about someone buying snooker
tapes, sort of like a non-american buying Yankees
games on tape.
I agree, people here have no idea how good Ronnie
is, not to mention Paul Hunter, Mark Williams, etc.
Another thing about Ronnie's game that some people
fail to realise is how strong his safety play is,
it kind of goes unnoticed besides his huge breaks.
As much as I love watching Earl Strickland and other
pool players, I'd MUCH rather watch O'Sullivan any
day. He's simply in a class of his own.
Bobby said:
Not that funny I guess, I just spent 4 years in Australia and snooker was rarely on TV even though it is a very popular sport there and they have some great snooker players (Neil Robertson will be a top 16 player next year I bet)
In the UK a remember watching it for about 4 hours in the afternoon then it would change channels and I would carry on watching it until midnight or later! I like most cue sports but snooker played well is great to watch. Its funny many americans prob find it boring and this is the reason often given for 9 ball being adopted for TV etc.. But nobody has yet to explain to me why millions and millions of people including grandmothers etc can sit down and watch snooker for hours at a time. If they can do that then why do people dount that games like 1 pocket and straight pool could make TV?
TheOne said:
I'm not sure why they don't try and popularize 14.1
and one pocket for TV, they probably because the
attendances for one pocket events and the rarer 14.1
event are lower than 9-ball. It does amaze me when
I watch the snooker tapes and see so many really old
ladies in the seats watching intently.
bud green said:
No problem bud although I'm no table technician. The tournament tables that the pros in my old club where steel block cushions which made a big differences and where very quick. The clothes where also super fast and the pockets where cut as tiget as I had ever seen. TO give you an idea if you simple put the cue ball on the long rail near a corner pocket and tried to fire it down the rail into the opposite corner pocket I would bet that you would not pocket the cb at least once out of ten times. Now imagine trying to pocket a ball with the cb down those rails. That being said though it was amazing to watch the pro's fire balls down the rail time after time, simple stunning accuracy!
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BTW I'm sure your table is a fine English billiard table like 95% of the tables in the UK, but the tournament tables are something a little different. Although the speed of the table makes up a little for the tightness of the pockets, superb if frustrating to play on!