Dating a Huebler cue by its logo // Opinion of a Huebler now at auction for $150?

[Paul_#_]

I don't know the exact year, but early ones had a gold logo vertical logo like that and were probably made mostly in the late 1970's and early 1980's. The very earliest cues just had a sticker on them, no inked https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/huebler-logo.155425/logo at all.​

Two questions:
____ When were these Huebler cues with these logos made?

___ Your opinion of a Huebler cue now on auction at ShopGoodwill.com?

1. When were the Huebler cues made with the logo: (see picture of logo below)
Cue by
Huebler
Made in U.S.A.

2. And this one?
Huebler
Made in
U.S.A.

3.. It appears the post inserted above is correct in estimating the vertical logo of Huebler as a cue from the late 1970s and early 1980s.

3. Your opinion of this cue on auction at Goodwill now at $151 including shipping?

 

[Benelli]

it's a $130 cue that's going to be bid up to 180-200 on Shopgoodwill by dumbass ebay flippers who will then relist it for $300-$325 but never be able to sell it.

This was literally the cheapest entry-level cue made by Huebler, bid accordingly.

 

[DeeDeeCues]

it's a $130 cue that's going to be bid up to 180-200 on Shopgoodwill by dumbass ebay flippers who will then relist it for $300-$325 but never be able to sell it.

This was literally the cheapest entry-level cue made by Huebler, bid accordingly.

I have a huge soft spot for hueblers, but I wouldn't buy either of those at almost any price.

 

[Benelli]

That's actually a really nice plain jane from the Cues By generation, but at the end of the day it's still just a plain jane.

The market for Hueblers has kicked up recently along with most of the old American made mass cues like Viking, McDermott, Mali. What you used to be able to buy for $50 to $100 bucks two years ago is being sold now at a $250 to $300 price point.

I mostly blame flippers who are buying these cues on some of the more esoteric auction websites and estate sales and then dogpile onto eBay trying to price and sell these cues at 4X to 5X what they paid because they saw some other bottom dweller pricing a similar cue at the same price range. It's created this echo chamber where the punters really believe these cues are selling at these inflated price points and the buyers are misled that these cues are actually worth this because they see four or five of the same thing at the same price point so it must be.

It makes no sense, and it has the feel of a bubble and I'm refusing to pay these crap inflated prices when I add to my collection

 

[garczar]

125ish cue on a good day. To make it nice will require a re-finish. I'd pass.

 

[boogieman]

Goodwill is the dumbest place to buy anything online. The stuff often goes for way more than it's worth, even higher than ebay prices.

 

[Paul_#_]

What logo is from the cue made longer ago?

Is #1 below older?

Or is #2 below the older one?

 

[garczar]

What logo is from the cue made longer ago?

Is #1 below older?

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Or is #2 below the older one?

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best place to ask hueb stuff:https://www.facebook.com/hueblercue post #4: https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/age-of-a-hubler.277563/

 

[Paul_#_]

From my post #1 above regarding TATE's post long ago, Huebler first used stickers and then the vertical H U E B L E R etched on its cues

Using Garczar's post from 2012 by Chopdoc:

The Cue by Huebler Logo was used from July 1986 to June 1993.

Probably the vertical HUEBLER was replaced in July 1986 and used until June 1993 the following:
CUE BY HUEBLER MADE IN U.S.A.

After June 1993, it appears Huebler used the logo
HUEBLER MADE IN U.S.A

In the pictures above?
Before July 1986: vertical HUEBLER
Between July 1986 and June 1993: CUE BY HUEBLER MADE IN U.S.A.
After June 1993: HUEBLER MADE IN U.S.A.

 

[hurricane145]

Vertical logo Hueblers only interest me or it better be a REAL good deal on a cue I would be particularly interested in.
From watching Goodwill auctions in the past, I found that most things I was interested in always found their value realized by the end of the auction.
No special deals were there to be made.

The only thing that made a deal out of it was prior to the pandemic. I could pick up a lot of the auctioned stuff at The Goodwill in Ballard here in Seattle and not have to pay any shipping but now there is no local pickup for Ebay auctioned items.
I quit looking and following their auctions about then. I watched for guitars and accessories, pool cues and a few other items.

They don't really know much about the items they list for auction so descriptions are not very trustworthy or complete. The have a lot of negative feedback, maybe not percentage wise but numerically they do.

I think that the position they have is that you get what you get and you are just making a donation anyway so suck it up.

 

[3kushn]

My first and only Huebler cue had no logo.
I'm guessing 1974 when purchased.

How do I know it was a Huebler?
He personally delivered cues to the room I frequented.

Sure wish I still had this cue.
Vid is from a Huebler FB Fan site.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1264769880271425

 

[Benelli]

My first and only Huebler cue had no logo.
I'm guessing 1974 when purchased.

How do I know it was a Huebler?
He personally delivered cues to the room I frequented.

Sure wish I still had this cue.
Vid is from a Huebler FB Fan site.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1264769880271425

I too have one of those "is it a Huebler or is it a Meucci" cues.

I'm glad you know which side yours falls on.

 

[3kushn]

I too have one of those "is it a Huebler or is it a Meucci" cues.

I'm glad you know which side yours falls on.

Meucci used a threaded brass insert in the shaft. Heubler used a nylon type material.

Yes, they played kinda similar. Legend has it they worked and learned together.
I forget the Mentor?

There's a few Huebler experts on this site. If you throw up a photo, you'll find out quick what you have.

 

[Benelli]

Meucci used a threaded brass insert in the shaft. Heubler used a nylon type material.

Yes, they played kinda similar. Legend has it they worked and learned together.
I forget the Mentor?

There's a few Huebler experts on this site. If you throw up a photo, you'll find out quick what you have.

They did not share a mentor but became friends and Bob started making the first Meucci cues out of Paul's shop in MO. They shared parts, pins, and rings and some of those early cues even had nylon inserts in the shaft. These first Meucci's had a sticker on the butt but the stickers were not well made and not only faded badly but also peeled quite a bit.

As I understand it Paul and Bob had a big falling out and that's when he moved to TN and started making Meucci Originals. Paul supposedly still had Meucci stickers that Bob had left in the shop and continued making those early models till all the parts were used up.

My two early Meucci's one has a brass insert and the other has a nylon, more than likely the second one that has a Meucci sticker was actually made after Bob moved to TN. But it was also a custom order because the wrap extends all the way to the butt which was not a standard feature so maybe Bob did make it. I do know that after Bob set up his new shop he refused to even acknowledge those early Meucci's and would tell people to contact Huebler if they needed work on them. Clearly, the parting was not friendly...

No Label Meucci Shaft

Meucci Sticker Shaft

One of the benefits of living in KC is the random Hueblers and early Meucci's I stumble across.

 

[Paul_#_]

The Huebler went for $157 including shipping ($20 for Fedex when UPS with eBay ships for $7 for cues between NC and SC).

 

[Benelli]

Shopgoodwill only ships FedEx.

And you paid Six bucks more than it was worth to me

For what it's worth I did buy a Herman Rambow off there two weeks ago.

 

[Chili Palmer]

Not sure this will help but, in late summer/early fall of 1993 I purchased my first Huebler used from a local place in Omaha, NE and it had the same logo as the cue in this link you posted above - https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/age-of-a-hubler.277563/) The logo was mostly intact when I got back into playing in 2018 but it appears pulling it in and out of my JB ultimate case has worn the logo down (that's actually something I mentioned years ago about his interiors) so there's not much logo left. Beware, if you have an older cue where the finish has worn off, in my humble opinion a JB case will wear down these logo's - your mileage may vary.

It's cue #1 here:

EDIT: It was in near new condition so it wasn't that old but I bet it was at least one or two years old - if that helps.

My modest cue collection

Not really sure I would call it a collection as I don't really "collect" cues. My first cue was an Adams (ebony points, mother of pearl inlays) my dad had given me in 1986 that he acquired in roughly 1977. Not long after that I picked up...

forums.azbilliards.com

EDIT: and ironically, I also have the exact cue you were looking at. It's #4 in the link above.

 

[Paul_#_]

My modest cue collection

Not really sure I would call it a collection as I don't really "collect" cues. My first cue was an Adams (ebony points, mother of pearl inlays) my dad had given me in 1986 that he acquired in roughly 1977. Not long after that I picked up...

forums.azbilliards.com

EDIT: and ironically, I also have the exact cue you were looking at. It's #4 in the link above.

Your photos of the Sneaky Pete are better made than Goodwill's. Hard to tell exactly how the Goodwill cue will look. I hope it will look exactly like yours. Garczar figured the Goodwill cue needed refinishing.

After getting sales estimates here including Benelli's something less than $300, I found three eBay sales in the last three months (see more info on them including not-so-great photos in attached files). The price includes shipping:

ebay flippers who will then relist it for $300-$325 but never be able to sell it.

$288​

Huebler Billiards Cue Sneaky Pete - 19 Ounces -58-1/2" ; The case is not a Huebler.

$216​

Vintage HUEBLER Sneaky Pete Pool Cue; Very classy original Huebler true sneaky pete pool cue! Straight! 13.5mm shaft! Absolutely gorgeous and is a great playing cue or a must have for your Huebler collection few small dings as seen in pic but otherwise flawless! Straight and hits solid. Great rare cue here. 20oz cue,

$243​

Huebler Made in USA Vintage Sneaky PeteBilliards Pool Cue with Original Case; A vintage Huebler pool cue with original fitted hard case. The sneaky pete! I weighed this with my postage scale so accuracy is not 100%, but I am getting a total of 19.8oz. The length is 58", and the shaft measures APPROXIMATELY 13mm. I do not really think the shaft is original. It has a red dot on it (Meucci?), and a brass insert. Other than that, it seems in great condition, with a straight roll, so please see all the pictures to judge for yourself!

A butt went for $108

$108​

Vintage HUEBLER Sneaky Pete Pool Cue Butt Only; Very classy original Huebler true sneaky pete pool cue butt! See pics. Straight. No reserve.

 

[Benelli]

Shopgoodwill only ships FedEx.

And you paid Six bucks more than it was worth to me

Your photos of the Sneaky Pete are better made than Goodwill's. Hard to tell exactly how the Goodwill cue will look. I hope it will look exactly like yours. Garczar figured the Goodwill cue needed refinishing.

After getting sales estimates here including Benelli's something less than $300, I found three eBay sales in the last three months (see more info on them including not-so-great photos in attached files). The price includes shipping:

$288​

Huebler Billiards Cue Sneaky Pete - 19 Ounces -58-1/2" ; The case is not a Huebler.

$216​

Vintage HUEBLER Sneaky Pete Pool Cue; Very classy original Huebler true sneaky pete pool cue! Straight! 13.5mm shaft! Absolutely gorgeous and is a great playing cue or a must have for your Huebler collection few small dings as seen in pic but otherwise flawless! Straight and hits solid. Great rare cue here. 20oz cue,

$243​

Huebler Made in USA Vintage Sneaky PeteBilliards Pool Cue with Original Case; A vintage Huebler pool cue with original fitted hard case. The sneaky pete! I weighed this with my postage scale so accuracy is not 100%, but I am getting a total of 19.8oz. The length is 58", and the shaft measures APPROXIMATELY 13mm. I do not really think the shaft is original. It has a red dot on it (Meucci?), and a brass insert. Other than that, it seems in great condition, with a straight roll, so please see all the pictures to judge for yourself!

A butt went for $108

$108​

Vintage HUEBLER Sneaky Pete Pool Cue Butt Only; Very classy original Huebler true sneaky pete pool cue butt! See pics. Straight. No reserve.

So Huebler sneaky petes are actually quite rare as are his one-piece cues.

Plain Janes, which is what you bought, were the most common mass-produced cue Huebler made. I have three or four from every logo style and did not pay more than $120 bucks for any of them.

A sneaky pete is designed to look like a house cue and has no joint or butt, it's just all wood.

 

[Paul_#_]

In the pictures above?
Before July 1986: vertical HUEBLER
Between July 1986 and June 1993: CUE BY HUEBLER MADE IN U.S.A.
After June 1993: HUEBLER MADE IN U.S.A.

UPDATE --- When were cues with abbreviated logo Cue by Huebler made?

Here is a Huebler logo NOT dated above.

No Huebler logo above has only the words “Cue By HUEBLER”. Huebler had a similar logo but with more words: “CUE BY HUEBLER MADE IN U.S.A.” See photos below.

My guess is that cues with logo “Cue By HUEBLER” were made before cues with logo “CUE BY HUEBLER MADE IN U.S.A.”. The Made in U.S.A. was added as a marketing feature and near the start of more-common advertising identifying items manufactured in the U.S.A. It makes sense, too, because Cue by Huebler logo follows the no-U.S.A., really simple Huebler logo. It was only with the cues with logo CUE BY HUEBLER MADE IN U.S.A. that Huebler stated bragging in its logo where the cue was made.

This makes more sense if all Huebler cues were made in the U.S.A. and it was only an advertising push that resulted in the logo changed to include Made in U.S.A.

If all Huebler cues were not produced in the U.S.A. its possible that the cues with "Cue by Huebler" and "CUE BY HUEBLER MADE IN U.S.A." were made at the same time and those that were made in U.S.A. were only those with that logo.

My guess:
Before July 1986: vertical HUEBLER
Guessing soon after July 1986 Cue by Huebler
Guessing some time after July 1986 and before June 1993: CUE BY HUEBLER MADE IN U.S.A.
After June 1993: HUEBLER MADE IN U.S.A.