Death of a sport (Long post)

We Can Work It Out - The Beatles

Thanks yah I love darts too and always thought pool could follow a similar model, but not my snooker nooooo :grin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g--Vlij1X1Y

Internazionale phone call was made but John in Canada must be busy with the pool dudes so be patient.

Still , there is a dude in Scotland that want's to let you know that I wish you well ! :thumbup:

Just do it !
 
Team Canada

Patrick has done some good stuff so far. He was able to get the World U21 to Canada which was a wonderful event. He also has a 20,000 added tournament early next year. Have to applaud his efforts and I hope he sees continued success.

Big up to you guy's & I really hope you turn this situation around.
 
Patrick has done some good stuff so far. He was able to get the World U21 to Canada which was a wonderful event. He also has a 20,000 added tournament early next year. Have to applaud his efforts and I hope he sees continued success.

This is some great news, all the best to him and his efforts.
 
It does not feel like 40 years but checking my calendar, noticing my 55th birthday cards on the mantle and admiring the slippers I received as a gift from my wife and the boys it shocks me into the realization that it is indeed 40 years.
40 years since I first picked up a cue in anger, I remember it so well.

There I was at Ace Billiards in Vancouver on table 3 playing with a friend I had just recently met through a mutual musician friend, we all had an interest in guitar at that time and this love of music and Billiards would continue for most of my life.

I actually first picked up a cue a few years earlier when my elementary schools best friends parents who were expats from the UK put a 5x10 snooker table in their basement. I was about 10 at the time we played a few times and I loved the sound of the balls clicking and the thunk of the ball hitting the leather on the back of the pocket, the satisfaction of accomplishment when the ball goes in and you get another turn.

This brush with snooker didn’t last long, as kids do we found other interests and moved on. Later when I was about 14 we had a 4x8 pool table in our own basement and I played occasionally but never really took it seriously. Then one day I was invited to Ace billiards by my friend to play a little on the big tables.

Ace billiards was the follow up to Chenier hall after that closed. Big Bill Werbeniuks regular haunt when he was home from the UK and occasionally Cliff Thorburn or Kirk Stevens would drop by, there was always a good player in the house so it was here that I learned quite a bit about the game. There were only 4 Brunswick Anniversary snooker tables and a bar box at Ace, the game of choice in Canada had always been snooker.

The game on table 3 went quite well that day and I remember clearing the colours to win against my friend who was a decent player at the time and that set me on the road to falling in love with the game.

Around 1979 I decided I wanted to spend some time in the UK and having expat parents myself I went to stay with relatives for a year and ended up staying for 13 years but that is another story.

During the 80’s snookers heyday I played and watched snooker on TV religiously. Cliff Thorburn became world champion in 1980 and Canada had 3 players in the top 8 in the world, Cliff along with Billy and Kirk Stevens were regulars on the TV. Alain Robidoux came through in the late 80’s early 90’s and was the last of the more successful Canadian professionals.
We had some other pro's during those years with Bob Chaperon, Mario Morra, and Marcel Gavreau etc. trying to make their mark but they were faced with an upcoming generation of coached and groomed young British players that ultimately proved too strong for these aging club players, Canada also had a number of great amateur players during these years.

The players of this era were club players and played because they loved the game, most were not coached or pushed into the game because it was not a respected sport and there was no legitimate living to be made it just happened that the game became successful and the players of the day were lucky enough to be along for the ride.

Returning to Canada with my family in the early 90’s I found that Pool had taken over much of the space in the pool rooms, the tournaments were all pool and most of the snooker players had either quit turned their hands to pool or just gotten too old but pool seemed to be doing pretty well and there were still new rooms popping up around Vancouver so I followed suit and myself spent more time playing 9 ball.

Over the last 5 years or so the 9 ball has dried up, lots of rooms closed, many good players don’t even play anymore and there has not been a serious 9 ball tournament around here for years. Snooker is about as dead as John Cleeses parrot, the winds of change have blown through the world of pocket billiards.

I have some ideas on what caused this plague, could be technology and the distractions it brings to young people or a push for more active sports from the new generation, but whatever the cause or causes I cannot see any light at the end of the tunnel. I know snooker had some past issues even in the UK with the loss of tobacco money, poor management and such but Barry Hearn entered the fray and has managed to turn this around. We are now seeing growth in Europe and China and some resurgence in the UK.

So after this brief history lesson according to me :p I am still left with the question of what if anything can be done to resurrect the sport in Canada.
Keep in mind we have very poor local and national associations, well more like lame ducks really that have done nothing to promote or grow the sport in Canada and cannot be relied upon any time soon to change.
Where do we go from here?, accept that the sport is dead and move on with our lives or put our heart and soul into something that likely will end in disappointment.

We need to start grass roots and develop new young talent but in order to do that the game needs exposure to show that this can be a sound professional career choice with great rewards at the top or at least provide a good living as with golf, tennis or ice hockey, it needs credibility.

Credibility that can really only be achieved with television exposure. TV exposure requires demand or at the very least proven returns on advertising investment but I suspect we are at the chicken and egg juncture in Canada with this. I don’t honestly know the answer or even where to start making progress but I do know 100% that continuing with the current trend this great sport is lost in this country and that’s sad when you look at where we were in the 1980’s.

From what I understand there's a decent snooker club in the Vancouver area, possibly in Richmond. Can't help you with the name but I'm sure you can find it.

The problem with snooker isn't in its difficulty, it's in the economics. Room owners can fit more pool tables in their space than snooker tables, and more tables = more money. Pure and simple.
 
From what I understand there's a decent snooker club in the Vancouver area, possibly in Richmond. Can't help you with the name but I'm sure you can find it.

The problem with snooker isn't in its difficulty, it's in the economics. Room owners can fit more pool tables in their space than snooker tables, and more tables = more money. Pure and simple.

Do you mean the one where the guys on the next tables are screaming at each other where there is no food and a drinks case with 2 cokes and an Oulong tea and the fellow behind the counter looks at you like you are from mars when you ask for anything? Or the other one with the ripped cloths, no food and 1 can of coke and an Oulong tea in the back room? As far as I am concerned they can all go out of business that's what they deserve.
The message I get from the pool playing crowd is that the big table is too tough. Sure the owner can get more tables in but their are rooms with both and the big tables are mostly empty.
 
Trying to market snooker to people who frequent pool halls is to go down market. :D

Snooker is the high-class game played in exclusive clubs.
For example:

New York Athletic Club in New York
http://www.nyac.org/Default.aspx?p=DynamicModule&pageid=235926&ssid=89288&vnf=1

McGill Faculty Club in Montreal
http://www.mcgill.ca/facultyclub/si...iles/imagecache/Lead/images/3billiardroom.jpg

York Club in Toronto
https://www.theyorkclub.org/Account/login.aspx

Terminal City Club in Vancouver
http://www.tcclub.com/The-Club/Billiards-Room.aspx
"The Club's official Billiards Team is a member of the International Snooker League"

http://www.internationalsnookerleague.com/
 
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Something doesn't sit right with the "high class" theory. Snooker was wildly popular in southwest Missouri (one of the poorest areas of this country). The people that played were from many walks of life and "high class" was definitely not a factor. It died because of bad economics from every angle. This small town of ~1400 hillbillies used to support two pool rooms with a total of 8 snooker and 4 pool tables.
 
Trying to market snooker to people who frequent pool halls is to go down market. :D

Snooker is the high-class game played in exclusive clubs.
For example:

New York Athletic Club in New York
http://www.nyac.org/Default.aspx?p=DynamicModule&pageid=235926&ssid=89288&vnf=1

McGill Faculty Club in Montreal
http://www.mcgill.ca/facultyclub/si...iles/imagecache/Lead/images/3billiardroom.jpg

York Club in Toronto
https://www.theyorkclub.org/Account/login.aspx

Terminal Club in Vancouver
http://www.tcclub.com/The -Club/Billiards-Room.aspx
"The Club's official Billiards Team is a member of the International Snooker League"

http://www.internationalsnookerleague.com/

Terminal city lol
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Something doesn't sit right with the "high class" theory. Snooker was wildly popular in southwest Missouri (one of the poorest areas of this country). The people that played were from many walks of life and "high class" was definitely not a factor. It died because of bad economics from every angle. This small town of ~1400 hillbillies used to support two pool rooms with a total of 8 snooker and 4 pool tables.

Hillbillies descended from displaced people from the UK, the same people who played snooker in the working man's clubs in the old country, producing Alex Higgins and Jimmy White. Working men in the UK, hillbillies in the U.S. - just adopting the trappings of their betters. :D

Snooker was invented in a colony, India, by British officers, and these types infested the British Empire around the world, making it a game for the upper crust. :D

I doubt that American pool played by U.S. officers had much influence introducing the game in Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and Philippines. It was the enlisted men. Pool is the downmarket game. :D
 
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Beats the hell out of playing pool for table time :grin:
 
I agree. In downstate Illinois, every town had a pool room with snooker tables. Towns with less than 1000 people with more than one busy table. Mattoon (10,000) had 3 rooms, Mt Vernon (12,000) had 2 rooms Decatur with 40,000 had 5 or 6 rooms. Cooks Mills (400) had 2 tables, Newman (700) had 2 tables, I could go on and on, but there was a time when this game was played virtually in every single town in any direction you looked. And as stated earlier, by all walks of life. In Arthur Illinois (1500)Mace's pool room was filled with Amish, especially on a Fri or Sat night. Businessmen with ties played farmers in overalls, and young guns would challenge the defense of the slow and steady.

As a 60+ year old, I believe the original decline started with the TV 9 ball, as this faster game was more suited for television. In the 60's, on Wide World of Sports, once-a-year they might televise the 14.1 final match with the likes of Mosconi. But this slow play couldn't stay with this fast medium and ever growing pace of life. Next came video games, which captured small boys interest. (Instead of sneaking into poolhalls) Finally inflation kicks in with higher utilities, expensive equiptment, and less business. These poolrooms were forced to either close or find tables and other venues of revenue.(poker machines,video games, etc)

The bottom line is... There's no money in snooker... (Not in the U.S. anyway) Nothing to peak a boy's interest as the multi-million dollar lifestyle's and all that fame of the major sports. No cheers. No roaring crowd. Nothing that makes young men want to play with any kind of committment or passion.

The sad part is the many aspects of the game are gone as well. There's no warmth, no heart in bar box 9 ball. No real satisfaction in clearing this table. Practically every Joe with a stick can do that. And the game's over. It takes true talent to consisitently run 40+ on a snooker table. And when you miss, in most cases you will get another turn. A final never-mentioned part of this game is time. No one wants any game to drag forever, but the fact that it does last several minutes adds substance. It's not over in seconds. You play both the table and opponent with respect, and learn something along the way. This pace of play is like a dance. Like taking a lady's hand to a slow dance. Such things should not be rushed.

As for answers, I have none. (I guess it's the season, I've already said more than I intended) But it truly is a shame this game is not played today.
 
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