Deliberate foul played?

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ricky9ball

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So, watching a match today played by two of the best pool players in the world, Sanchez and Gorst. Sanchez was snookered so played deliberate foul, but knocked the second ball on, to a un-pottable posisition. What happens next, and does that cost the other guy any other punishment?
 
if he used the cue ball to knock the second ball " to a un-pottable posisition"
then its typical ball in hand for the opponent
if he went to the second ball and hit it directly "to a un-pottable posisition" that could be considered unsportsmanlike conduct and loss of game
i am not a referree so JMHO
what did the ref do in that match or what did the players do ?
 
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Many rule sets specify the 3 foul rule which is simply 3consecutive fouls by the same player or couple shall result in loss of game. This is to prevent long strings of balls in hand. Taking the first foul is usually a last resort preferable only to selling it outright.
 
He was on the red ball, but unable to see it. So he knocked the green ball into a safe place, to save a run I expect? The opponent had the ball in hand, potted the red, but was unable to pot the green, but able to see it.
 
ricky9ball said:
He was on the red ball, but unable to see it. So he knocked the green ball into a safe place, to save a run I expect? The opponent had the ball in hand, potted the red, but was unable to pot the green, but able to see it.
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Any link to this? There are so many defensive strategies that can be applied it's good to get a feel for it and see if you can predict any of the plays. Regardless, under 3 foul rules, Sanchez would remain on that one foul unless he was able to make legal contact in a subsequent turn - keeping in mind that 2 more fouls would be a loss.
 
ricky9ball said:
So, watching a match today played by two of the best pool players in the world, Sanchez and Gorst. Sanchez was snookered so played deliberate foul, but knocked the second ball on, to a un-pottable posisition. What happens next, and does that cost the other guy any other punishment?
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At pool, there are situations where an intentional foul is the best shot to take. (At snooker, intentional fouling is more or less forbidden.)

If you watch the game of one pocket, you will often see players who have no good shot and no good legal safe simply roll the cue ball to the other end of the table to leave their opponent without a shot. One pocket has no ball-in-hand-for-any-foul rule. The penalty is loss of one point.

It is fairly uncommon at nine ball that an intentional foul is the best play because it gives up ball-in-hand-anywhere but it does come up when the balls are clustered. It also comes up when a player plays a safety which leaves no practical way to hit the ball on. Then making a cluster gives some protection against a run out.

Here is a good example and an amazing escape.

 
I'll create a cluster or nock a ball to the rail in front of or behind the money ball if it's on the rail too. (Or even out in the open...try to sew up the money ball a bit) Creating a bank to win or atleast taking shape options away in 8 or nine ball when I have no other choice.

If opponent runs out so be it. At least I didn't just give up ball in hand with a wide open table.
 
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Ps . In that video did he measure the gap between the ball and rail with the cueball in his hand....what's the rule on that?

For instance and it doesn't come up very often. Freeze the cueball to the rail. Freeze a ball on the cueball then move it out a slightest bit.

this is the foul.... (Now take cue ball in hand and run the cueball with the ball in your hand between the ball and the rail to see if it passes between) I've seen some tournaments where this is a automatic foul. Not sure how common it is...probably just to avoid possible player moving the ball out making a bigger gap. Kinda like sticking your hand in pocket before cueball scratches...player can say you touched the cueball.

a bad etiquette foul I suppose

Nobody gonna comment on the kids name being "Long Dong"? Lmao. Poor guy
 
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ricky9ball said:
So, watching a match today played by two of the best pool players in the world, Sanchez and Gorst. Sanchez was snookered so played deliberate foul, but knocked the second ball on, to a un-pottable posisition. What happens next, and does that cost the other guy any other punishment?
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Foul is a foul is a foul, does not matter what it is, the penalty for them is the same in the game (usually ball in hand for the more common games you would know). If it's an unsportsmanlike foul that can be a loss of game (say if you smack a bunch of balls around or push the player about to shoot or something). Deliberate fouls are a perfectly normal thing to see.
 
RDeca said:
Ps . In that video did he measure the gap between the ball and rail with the cueball in his hand....what's the rule on that?
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Seems to me that with BIH you can place the ball anywhere you want and move it again and again until you decide where you want it. It is not like picking a ball out of a pocket and measuring with it on your normal turn at the table.
Just don't bump any balls while you are doing it.
Maybe it should be like chess and if you let go of the ball, it has to stay in that position?
 
What I'm getting at is it causes a problem where your opponent can say you moved the balls. So they just don't allow it. We don't have refs standing over us every shot. Player can say you moved balls you can move balls opponent not see it. Especially if your standing between him and the balls.
 
RDeca said:
Ps . In that video did he measure the gap between the ball and rail with the cueball in his hand....what's the rule on that?

For instance and it doesn't come up very often. Freeze the cueball to the rail. Freeze a ball on the cueball then move it out a slightest bit.

this is the foul.... (Now take cue ball in hand and run the cueball with the ball in your hand between the ball and the rail to see if it passes between) I've seen some tournaments where this is a automatic foul. Not sure how common it is...probably just to avoid possible player moving the ball out making a bigger gap. Kinda like sticking your hand in pocket before cueball scratches...player can say you touched the cueball.

a bad etiquette foul I suppose

Nobody gonna comment on the kids name being "Long Dong"? Lmao. Poor guy
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Cannot take cueball to measure....illegal and you stop them if they try.
 
RDeca said:
What I'm getting at is it causes a problem where your opponent can say you moved the balls. So they just don't allow it. We don't have refs standing over us every shot. Player can say you moved balls you can move balls opponent not see it. Especially if your standing between him and the balls.
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Start a new thread
 
Bob Jewett said:
At pool, there are situations where an intentional foul is the best shot to take. (At snooker, intentional fouling is more or less forbidden.)

If you watch the game of one pocket, you will often see players who have no good shot and no good legal safe simply roll the cue ball to the other end of the table to leave their opponent without a shot. One pocket has no ball-in-hand-for-any-foul rule. The penalty is loss of one point.

It is fairly uncommon at nine ball that an intentional foul is the best play because it gives up ball-in-hand-anywhere but it does come up when the balls are clustered. It also comes up when a player plays a safety which leaves no practical way to hit the ball on. Then making a cluster gives some protection against a run out.

Here is a good example and an amazing escape.

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Is Mr.Dong related to another famous asian, Hung Wei Lo??
 
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Bob Jewett said:
At pool, there are situations where an intentional foul is the best shot to take. (At snooker, intentional fouling is more or less forbidden.)

If you watch the game of one pocket, you will often see players who have no good shot and no good legal safe simply roll the cue ball to the other end of the table to leave their opponent without a shot. One pocket has no ball-in-hand-for-any-foul rule. The penalty is loss of one point.

It is fairly uncommon at nine ball that an intentional foul is the best play because it gives up ball-in-hand-anywhere but it does come up when the balls are clustered. It also comes up when a player plays a safety which leaves no practical way to hit the ball on. Then making a cluster gives some protection against a run out.

Here is a good example and an amazing escape.

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Bob Jewett said:
At pool, there are situations where an intentional foul is the best shot to take. (At snooker, intentional fouling is more or less forbidden.)

If you watch the game of one pocket, you will often see players who have no good shot and no good legal safe simply roll the cue ball to the other end of the table to leave their opponent without a shot. One pocket has no ball-in-hand-for-any-foul rule. The penalty is loss of one point.

It is fairly uncommon at nine ball that an intentional foul is the best play because it gives up ball-in-hand-anywhere but it does come up when the balls are clustered. It also comes up when a player plays a safety which leaves no practical way to hit the ball on. Then making a cluster gives some protection against a run out.

Here is a good example and an amazing escape.

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Trying to figure out how a player would/could intentionally foul in a snooker frame. If table has been played down to colours, would a miss be a miss and foul or a free ball? A bit thin on this, myself
 
NathanDetroit said:
Trying to figure out how a player would/could intentionally foul in a snooker frame. If table has been played down to colours, would a miss be a miss and foul or a free ball? A bit thin on this, myself
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When snookers are required, you can't be called for a foul and a miss. If you miss the ball on, your opponent cannot have you replay it. Sometimes players do not do their best to hit the ball on in that situation.

Or, you are 42 ahead with two reds on the table. That's potentially a total of 8+8+27 = 43 for your opponent, so he can still win without snookers. You shoot hard and send both reds off the table. Penalty: 4 points. The reds do not respot, so now your opponent needs four snookers. (unless I slipped a decimal)
 
Bob Jewett said:
When snookers are required, you can't be called for a foul and a miss. If you miss the ball on, your opponent cannot have you replay it. Sometimes players do not do their best to hit the ball on in that situation.

Or, you are 42 ahead with two reds on the table. That's potentially a total of 8+8+27 = 43 for your opponent, so he can still win without snookers. You shoot hard and send both reds off the table. Penalty: 4 points. The reds do not respot, so now your opponent needs four snookers. (unless I slipped a decimal)
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I have never seen a "no miss" call which was closest I could get to an intentional foul. Had never heard of the sending a ball off table...except in one pocket where it seems to be a tournament no-no these days.

Thanks for the knowledge
 
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