Denali full splice rosewood & birds eye

bapage said:
Actually it looks like a fullsplice to ME. Still FULLSPLICE construction, there is NO (A)joint. http://www.denalicues.com/cues_in_progress
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The cue pic, as originally posted by Bob in his initial post absolutely does not look like a full splice cue....sorry, it just doesn't. The link you provided does not show this cue when I clicked on it. Just a group photo of a bunch of different cues in-progress, hanging. The question begs...would a prospective buyer even think to go beyond the initial pic(s) provided in the FS post, and look for more? Probably not. BTW...I never said that this particular cue had an A joint...rather I was explaining to another poster the difference between a full splice cue's construction, and that of a conversion cue...and when a full splice ceases to be a full splice.

I have received PM's from others agreeing with my initial statement...and it would certainly explain why the cue languished here for the better part of a year...even with it's more than reasonable price point. Had Bob posted up some of the in-progress pics with the sale ad...we would likely not even be having this conversation. As it stands...the cue looks like a wrapless conversion cue...period. It may be a full splice, but it does not LOOK like a full splice. And if you think it does, with the lone pic provided in this post, you need to educate yourself on the difference between what a wrapless full splice and a wrapless conversion cue typically LOOKS like.

There are lots of newer, or less savvy members who may not know the difference, or who will think that this is what a wrapless full splice is supposed to look like. They may go on to purchase similar looking cues, thinking that they are getting a full splice cue every time. There are a lot of folks that have no idea what the difference is between a short splice and a full/long splice cue....with regards to construction. Some don't care, some do.

Again...never said it wasn't a full splice...just said, from the pic provided HERE, it does not look like one...and I am standing by that statement.


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bapage said:
Well the only one WHO can say for sure is Mr Flynn, since he is the builder. From the pics in the link he turned down the fullsplice to add a sleeve of BE maple. If you will/had taken the time to read about his build techniques from his site you might have more insight. If you were to turn down a piece of 30" bocote after 12" to 3/4", then added trim rings, and a segmented handle, and butt cap. Would there be a A-joint? That is what looked like he did to a fullsplice.. btw I have built a cue just like i described above.
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Let's try this again:

"Again...never said it wasn't a full splice...just said, from the pic provided HERE, it does not look like one...and I am standing by that statement."

I KNOW how it's done, I don't need a tutorial...I have been around a long time, and has seen personally a lot of cues in various stages of construction. I did explain all of this in previous posts...which perhaps you failed to read before commenting. I didn't just fall of the turnip truck yesterday.

As a full splice 'purist', one has to ask, why? Why put a sleeve over a perfectly good full splice blank? IMHO....it detracts from the general appeal of a wrapless full splice...and leaves one looking like a conversion cue. If it's done to stabilize the handle area of the blank, then perhaps using a more suitable, more stable wood in the splice to begin with might be in order.
 
Denali full splice blank

I was kind of hoping this issue would of died a "natural death" but it hasn't so
I will answer the questions that that have arisen. I felt that my integrity and
reputation had been besmirched when a cue I had posted for sale, and
described as a "full-splice" with a BE sleeve, was questioned as to whether it was a full-splice or not. If it was not a full-splice I would not of advertised it as such. My description was accurate and honest as all my dealings are.

As to why I took a perfectly good full-splice cue and sleeved the handle/butt sleeve is two-fold. I had two FS butts exactly the same. I endeavor not to make two cues the same so I decided to make one with a BE sleeved handle.
I also believe that a handle core that is in tension, in conjunction with a handle sleeve that is in compression provides a better hit and more feed-back. That feat is accomplished by threading the butt cap which by mechanical action pulls on the handle core (tension) and pushes on the handle sleeve (compression). The changes may be subtle but they are there.

I would also like to know when a full-splice butt ceases to be a full-splice butt? And by what authority?
 
Looks can be deceiving......

Hey Lisa, I would agree with your first assumption that the picture doesn't appear to present a fullspliced cue.

But, looks can be deceiving ~ just take a trip to Rumors Cabaret in downtown B'Ham on the weekend :grin:

On a more serious note, Bob makes some really nice & beautiful cues......they play great too :cool:
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It's not about questioning your integrity Bob as I feel that is above being besmirched.
You built the cue and certainly know how you built it and from what. That's not in question.
Through the thread's discussion the issue has transformed to the very question that you asked:

"I would also like to know when a full-splice butt ceases to be a full-splice butt?"

That's a very good question and one that should probably be explored.
However, this is probably not the time or place for such discussion as this is the F/S section.
Your cue got sold and I'm sure the buyer will be very happy with it, regardless of what it's called.

The Best, KJ
 
The cue arrived and I gave it a couple of hours of play. It plays fantastic, has very little deflection, the butt feels just right and the shaft is very responsive ;)
I just couldn't ask for more!

Bob does make some great cues!!!
 
Full splice Denali

Thank you for your kind words. Enjoy your cue in the best of health.
 
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