Does anyone know why Diamond 7 fters, Blue Label is all I’m familiar with, slate measurements are at least three different sizes when measured diagonally. This occurs on tables all made within the last 2-4 yrs. The pocket (shelf) is so deep on some that when a ball is in the very jaws it can not be made fairly (no going to the rail first without hitting opposite point on the way out). And no hitting ball first without a draw shot, which can’t be done on some angles. Seems like it prevents play as pool was designed. If you haven’t measured this way you should.
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Hi Brian,
Welcome to the forum.
I would highly recommend moving your thread to the ask a mechanic section of this forum. Within that group many could answer your question accurately.
Good luck Sir
phreaticus
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Did you happen to catch what it is in inches? I’m curious to know the typical shelf depth on Diamond Pro Cut tables. I keep meaning to measure, but not many Diamonds near me.
Not that it matters much but shelf depth is one of the most cheezy items of WPA’s “specs”; for some reason they allow a huge range; anywhere from 1 to 2-1/4”. Oddly enough BCA specs are much tighter, 1-5/8” to 1-7/8”…
just email them. they always answer quick. most Diamond's are around 1.5-1.75" sd. That's a 9ft.', never checked a bb size. He did say they've experimented with different sd's before settling on current sd on the 7's. If you look at the TDF chart they're all over the place. I think some just don't know how to properly mesure sd. https://forums.azbilliards.com/thre...tor-tdf-for-measuring-table-toughness.324408/
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phreaticus
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Thanks, will do. You can’t seem to ever communicate without throwing in some dickhead snark based on your own myopic assumptions. No one is worried about it. I like the way Diamond Pro Cuts play, as do many/most, and I may at some point like to replicate that profile on some other tables I own. From threads around here, I’ve been able to get educated about other aspects of pocket design, but so far haven’t seen much mentioned on shelf depth. Is that allowed in a thread about Diamond shelfs?
phreaticus
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Also prefer GC’s, but I generally like the Diamond pockets, and a few GC’s I’ve played on that have been so called “Diamondized”…
feel free to put me on ignore. i'm not changing based on anything you spew. how's that for that snarky myopia.Thanks, will do. You can’t seem to ever communicate without throwing in some dickhead snark based on your own myopic assumptions. No one is worried about it. I like the way Diamond Pro Cuts play, as do many/most, and I may at some point like to replicate that profile on some other tables I own. From threads around here, I’ve been able to get educated about other aspects of pocket design, but so far haven’t seen much mentioned on shelf depth. Is that allowed in a thread about Diamond shelfs?
Absolutely LOVE Escargot. Can’t imagine having it at a decent restaurant in Paris. Wish I could get a doggie bag!We had snarks as a appetizer the other night at some fancy Parisian restaurant. They were delicious. I didn’t eat the escargot, snails aren’t my bag.
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phreaticus
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The ignore button, huh? If I needed an auto mute button to filter you and all the other dipshit forum experts around here, there would be no entertainment value. You are consistent & persistent, both fine qualities in a pool player. Assuming you actually do play pool in the real world every once in a while
Edit: i see you substituted snark with real info above. Its a good idea to scan the TDF list, didn’t think of that.Thanks.
Escargot, wine & rational adult communications are way better for our health.
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Isn't the rail playing surface on a diamond wider, more than most others,
therefore, creating more shelf because the rail is mostly put together on top of the slate?
maybe a good distraction would be to play all shots from within boundary's,
you then could be a foot or 2 from the pocket and still have no shot because you
would be out of play - all done, kaput, re-rack, kind of an old discipline nowadays.
I was thinking about the premise posed
therefore, creating more shelf because the rail is mostly put together on top of the slate?
maybe a good distraction would be to play all shots from within boundary's,
you then could be a foot or 2 from the pocket and still have no shot because you
would be out of play - all done, kaput, re-rack, kind of an old discipline nowadays.
I was thinking about the premise posed
I used to. Then something changed and now can take it or leave it. Funny, a few foods I have switched up on over the years.
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Fatboy
Just my $0.02 here, LOL. Some splitting of hairs is going on here of course, some not so friendly banter as per usual( I am guilty of this often and tryin to STOP) and it seems like a fun conversation.
The tighter the pocket: the shallower the shelf on either table. Even the 7ft's pocket shelf changes as well, not sure why anyone would want anything tighter on a 7' table, but, to each their own. To be clear, I have never measured them, mainly because it seems like a type of "it is what it is" kind of issue. I feel this way because I dont have any real way to change the slate.
I do know that when you take a GC Anny or Centennial and make the pockets down to 4.25" or less: the shelf becomes a little more shallow than it was. Which its already is not deep like a Procut Pocket with Procut slate table, so for players who play center pocket, I would say they benefit from it. I think the the Brunswick pocket design was created to pocket balls, simple as that. Also to clarify: The ProCut Pocket and ProCut slate are made by the 3 other major commercial table manufacturers and IMO, Brunswick is late to the game on this. Will they ever follow what the industry is doing currently: I don't know. I hope that they want to be relevant in Tournaments, but, that isn't up to me. I would really like it if they did: it would make slate available for me to use on my projects.
I made an attempt at developing a Pro Cut slate last year> My project failed horribly due to the slate company simply copying the slate I brought them and then said, "I can have them also drilled for the Brunswick pattern"... Wasted a bunch of time and really screwed up my project.
My goal was to offer my Brunswick restorations with a ProCut Pocket with ProCut Slate. This would be another add on like sub rail extensions.
I hope all is well out there in the pool world.
TFT
phreaticus
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Interesting, thanks.
I guess at the end of the day, slates are cut how they are cut. But when customizing pocket size/angles, its good to take into consideration whatever shelf depth one has. Ie, if one has shallower shelves (like most GCs), being a bit more aggressive on tighter sizes/angles will work out fine. At least thats my take away from it all.