Diamond pocket sizes?

garczar said:
3pc slate gives more install flexibilty. No big issue imo. Also since tables are made in Spain shipping would be easier as well. Makes sense to go with 3pc.
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One-piece also somewhat limits your market if a resale may be in your future. I had my choice with my Pro-Am and chose the three-piece. I am old and the table will outlast me by a couple of generations. None of my adult children have room on their first floor required for a one-piece install. They have other places to put it, but the movers would encounter stairs.
 
MurrayNevada said:
One-piece also somewhat limits your market if a resale may be in your future. I had my choice with my Pro-Am and chose the three-piece. I am old and the table will outlast me by a couple of generations. None of my adult children have room on their first floor required for a one-piece install. They have other places to put it, but the movers would encounter stairs.
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Yeah, called Mike Sugland about one when they were running turning stone, think they were around 6500, but there's no way they're getting a one piece slate in the basement. Ended up with a gold crown.
I'm sure they don't have much problem moving those tables, if they ever did they should setup some 3 piece slate tables, I think there is a bigger market.
 
MurrayNevada said:
One-piece also somewhat limits your market if a resale may be in your future. I had my choice with my Pro-Am and chose the three-piece. I am old and the table will outlast me by a couple of generations. None of my adult children have room on their first floor required for a one-piece install. They have other places to put it, but the movers would encounter stairs.
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That may be but I still prefer a 1 piece slate.
 
TrxR said:
That may be but I still prefer a 1 piece slate.
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Ok if you live on ff. If set up correctly i guarantee you wouldn't know the difference. Sealing slate seams is not rocket science. I get it tho, buy what you like.
 
garczar said:
Ok if you live on ff. If set up correctly i guarantee you wouldn't know the difference. Sealing slate seams is not rocket science. I get it tho, buy what you like.
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I Guess it's just a preference. I understand it can be far easier to move a 3 piece slate if it's up stairs or around tight quarters. I've also heard it's more time consuming to get a 3 piece setup compared to 1 piece. I could be wrong though.

I just found it strange that a couple of the pro players and the commentators were braging about them being 1 piece slate yet they aren't being sold that way.

Although someone on Facebook has said 1 piece may be special ordered.

I'm curious to hear their response about the side pocket size.
 
TrxR said:
I Guess it's just a preference. I understand it can be far easier to move a 3 piece slate if it's up stairs or around tight quarters. I've also heard it's more time consuming to get a 3 piece setup compared to 1 piece. I could be wrong though.

I just found it strange that a couple of the pro players and the commentators were braging about them being 1 piece slate yet they aren't being sold that way.

Although someone on Facebook has said 1 piece may be special ordered.

I'm curious to hear their response about the side pocket size.
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Hoping its a mis-print myself.
 
muskyed said:
If you are worried about the slate thickness, 25 mm vs 30 mm, I wouldn't worry about it much. My Diamond professional came with 25 mm, and not the 30mm as stated on their web site, plays fine. When I questioned them after about the slate thickness not matching up with what their Web site said, they said sorry, and that was it. Also questioned them as to why the rails were 3 bolt instead of 4 as the web site stated, same response, sorry. Regardless as to whether it makes a difference in the play of the table, those were two items that influenced my decision on the purchase of a Diamond table. I will say that the side rails are massive and one piece, unlike the 2 piece Brunswick home table I had before, and don't see any need for 4 bolts per section. Last I checked, their web site still said 4 bolts and 30 mm slate, may have changed it by now, it's been 2 years. Just looked, web still says 30 mm for 3 piece, mines 25 mm, from what I understand 30 mm is only on 9', mines a 8'. Website is quite misleading and you would think could have been changed in 2 years time, like they said it would.
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We're you happy with the Diamond overall?
 
TrxR said:
I Guess it's just a preference. I understand it can be far easier to move a 3 piece slate if it's up stairs or around tight quarters. I've also heard it's more time consuming to get a 3 piece setup compared to 1 piece. I could be wrong though.

I just found it strange that a couple of the pro players and the commentators were braging about them being 1 piece slate yet they aren't being sold that way.

Although someone on Facebook has said 1 piece may be special ordered.

I'm curious to hear their response about the side pocket size.
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3pc takes longer 'cause slates have to be individually placed/secured/sealed. Most table guys won't do one-piece upstairs. Too heavy and can't go around corners. 3pc is way to go that way. Pics on Pred's site clearly show 3pc slate. Can't go by what some announcer may/may not know.
 
TrxR said:
If you look on the Predator site on the corner of the table it even says Predator X Sam so they are almost advertising who made the table.
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Its no secret who's making them. That's been known for some time. Same basic table with a different trim/finish package.
 
garczar said:
3pc takes longer 'cause slates have to be individually placed/secured/sealed. Most table guys won't do one-piece upstairs. Too heavy and can't go around corners. 3pc is way to go that way. Pics on Pred's site clearly show 3pc slate. Can't go by what some announcer may/may not know.
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If it was just the announcer I could understand but when the pros like Tony Robles and Darren Appleton make comments about it. Darren even said he complained about last year's 3pc and was glad they swapped to 1pc.
 
TrxR said:
If it was just the announcer I could understand but when the pros like Tony Robles and Darren Appleton make comments about it. Darren even said he complained about last year's 3pc and was glad they swapped to 1pc.
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You wouldn't believe some of the shit i've heard 'pros' say about equipment on streams. Get it straight from the maker/seller. Ask Oscar Dominguez on FB. His dad Ernesto set up the ones in Arizona iirc. He'll tell you exactly what he thinks of them. I know RKC hates SAM tables. Might msg him too. Be prepared if you do. ;)
 
garczar said:
You wouldn't believe some of the shit i've heard 'pros' say about equipment on streams. Get it straight from the maker/seller. Ask Oscar Dominguez on FB. His dad Ernesto set up the ones in Arizona iirc. He'll tell you exactly what he thinks of them. I know RKC hates SAM tables. Might msg him too. Be prepared if you do. ;)
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Ya I had asked him about Predator tables and he said to look up who made them and said he wouldn't take one even it was free. ;)
 
TrxR said:
Ya I had asked him about Predator tables and he said to look up who made them and said he wouldn't take one even it was free. ;)
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sounds about right. LOT of nuts/bolts that have to be installed/torqued just right to get one straight. take a gc or a diamond myself.
 
Oscar Dominguez got back to me . He said the 2 he has are the prototype tables so he couldn't really comment on the new ones as they had tweaked them a bit from the prototypes.
 
Trxr
Yes, very happy overall. Was not happy about being misled as to the specs of the table as advertised, but honestly, neither errors in marketing had any noticeable effect on the table. I'm sure some of that is because it's an oversized 8' instead of a 9'. Like I said before, the rails on the Professional are massive and one piece, and that makes them incredibly rigid. It just put a bad taste in my mouth as to their deceptive advertising. If it was just an overlooked mistake on their web page, as they told me it was, they have had two years to correct it. Also the worst part was the Diamond factory installers were supposed to deliver and install, but when the table came in, the dealer was slow on work and brought it to me himself, and did a horrible install, out of level (over 3 marks off in areas), and terrible bed cloth stretch with shading down the sides and a very uneven stretch. I have since got it as level as I can without a teardown and redo, but due to the wandering grain on the cloth the balls can slightly roll off on a very slow roll in a couple spots. It's very minor and isn't worth putting the table out of level to adjust the roll. They really are a fantastic table if you are lucky enough to get a good install. Will probably recover it next year if I can find a good installer, still looks good now though, but I'd like it right.
I have to say that I really like the top, the frame and the slate adjusters on the new Predator table, but I am not a fan of the legs, and really hate the massive logos they have on it. The logos would be a deal breaker for me for a home table, if it couldn't be ordered without them. I could live with the legs. If you would like to see a pic of my table, look up my past postings back not quite two years ago.
 
muskyed said:
If you are worried about the slate thickness, 25 mm vs 30 mm, I wouldn't worry about it much. My Diamond professional came with 25 mm, and not the 30mm as stated on their web site, plays fine. When I questioned them after about the slate thickness not matching up with what their Web site said, they said sorry, and that was it. Also questioned them as to why the rails were 3 bolt instead of 4 as the web site stated, same response, sorry. Regardless as to whether it makes a difference in the play of the table, those were two items that influenced my decision on the purchase of a Diamond table. I will say that the side rails are massive and one piece, unlike the 2 piece Brunswick home table I had before, and don't see any need for 4 bolts per section. Last I checked, their web site still said 4 bolts and 30 mm slate, may have changed it by now, it's been 2 years. Just looked, web still says 30 mm for 3 piece, mines 25 mm, from what I understand 30 mm is only on 9', mines a 8'. Website is quite misleading and you would think could have been changed in 2 years time, like they said it would.
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My 9 ft Diamond Professional has 30mm slate and 4 rail bolts per rail. Pockets are 4.5 and 5" sides.
 
Never said the 9' tables didn't come that way. As I stated, their web site says that all 7', 8', and 9' 3 piece professional tables come with 30 mm slate and 4 rail bolts and that simply is not true, and they not only have known it is wrong for at least 2 years now, but have shown that for some reason they don't feel the need to change their misrepresentation on their web page, even though they thanked me for pointing it out two years ago and would change it. For me it was a selling point that helped sway my decision to buy their table, after which I came to find out was just false advertising. Knowing what I know now, if I were to buy a new table, I would probably still buy a Diamond professional with only their installers doing the install, but would seriously look at the predator if it could be ordered without logos. I understand the gaudy logos on tables for tournaments, but to only have it that way for a home purchaser would not make good business sense.
 
muskyed said:
Never said the 9' tables didn't come that way. As I stated, their web site says that all 7', 8', and 9' 3 piece professional tables come with 30 mm slate and 4 rail bolts and that simply is not true, and they not only have known it is wrong for at least 2 years now, but have shown that for some reason they don't feel the need to change their misrepresentation on their web page, even though they thanked me for pointing it out two years ago and would change it. For me it was a selling point that helped sway my decision to buy their table, after which I came to find out was just false advertising. Knowing what I know now, if I were to buy a new table, I would probably still buy a Diamond professional with only their installers doing the install, but would seriously look at the predator if it could be ordered without logos. I understand the gaudy logos on tables for tournaments, but to only have it that way for a home purchaser would not make good business sense.
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Actually what they say about the "Professional" table is this;

1. Slate
7' ,8' and 9' uses 25mm for one piece and 30mm for 3 piece Brazilian slate precision machined top and bottom. Slate supported by massive 5" beams of Timber Stand LSL (laminated strand lumber).
 
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