Different Way to Rate Players

99.99 % of leagues players would be a "D". Even APA 7's where I play rarely run racks. 2 in a row is an extinction level event. 2 or 3 in a session is more the norm.
 
It's not a horrible way to determine someone's speed, if you don't have time to tell them to please complete a skills test and report back to me. :thumbup:

That is exactly what I ask of them before playing for money. I have devised an algorythim based on value of wager and number of spectators that I use as a multiplier to reduce the effects of sandbagging during the skills test.:lmao::lmao::lmao:
 
Big majority of the players will fall outside of this handicap system, but those are the players who likely need handicapping.
 
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Big majority of the players will fall outside of this handicap system, but those are the players who likely need handicapping.
I realize that. But is it just me? I don't really consider a "D" player a "pool player". They are just someone who may have joined a league and play pool for the fun of it.

Another way to say it, is if someone can't run 1 rack at least somewhat frequently, is it really worth the time to try to "rate" them?
 
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I realize that. But is it just me? I don't really consider a "D" player a "pool player". They are just someone who may have joined a league and play pool for the fun of it.

Another way to say it, is if someone can't run 1 rack at least somewhat frequently, is it really worth the time to try to "rate" them?

Well, we all started as a Z player at one point. No one wakes up one day and plays A speed. If we stop treating lower skilled players as pool players, who's going to replace us when we retire?
 
Well, we all started as a Z player at one point. No one wakes up one day and plays A speed. If we stop treating lower skilled players as pool players, who's going to replace us when we retire?
My point is, we don't need to worry about trying to rate beginners. Starting at the "C" level, where they can run a single rack periodically to me is the beginning of a real pool player.
 
guess we have to deal with it that theres no accurate rating system out there! not aslong as there is something like the ATP for pool and that wont happen anytime soon as we all know!
 
I do a 2-3 pack "at least" one a week. But I run 2 racks in a row probably every other day. In 8-ball, you obviously need to make a ball on the break too. For some reason I think I have a mental block and I always seem to mess something up the times I've been on the 4th rack -- so I'm definitely in the 2-3 pack range.

To do these packages in every 10 games seems like more than most people can do in any of the categories.

hehe same here, i ran countless 4 packs in 8 and 9 ball and didnt get the 5th for years......either the break fkd me or i did it myself! jep, mental issue for sure :grin:
 
I realize that. But is it just me? I don't really consider a "D" player a "pool player". They are just someone who may have joined a league and play pool for the fun of it.

Another way to say it, is if someone can't run 1 rack at least somewhat frequently, is it really worth the time to try to "rate" them?

A D player is still a bit over a "banger". You are learning some proper stance and way of holding the cue and how to aim then. You may even make a ball every so often not by accident. The real non-players are those that never had anyone that knew how to play show them anything, or if they did, the person did not practice it at all or just ignored the information. You would need to have ratings about what to teach them, how to teach them, how to rate them for tournaments, leagues, anything that would be handicapped.
 
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players that can run a rack or more of 8ball is less than 10% of the league players

This rating system would be OK to rate the better players I don't think it would work for amateur league players

Plus, if this is going to be a rating system for league players the ratings have to be relative to the number of beers a player has already consumed.

I say after three beers a C player is one who can tell the difference between stripes and solids.
 
The D player category is probably the largest skill level category in pool. The skill level ranges from players who get excited at running 2 balls up to someone who has run a rack before. The player at the upper end of the range will almost never lose against a D player at the bottom end. Compare that to the C level where a C- player can certainly beat a C+ player on occasion.

I think it's important to make those distinctions at the lower level since if you are instituting handicapping, you want players at the mid D range to be able to be somewhat competitive in order to bring them back.
 
The D player category is probably the largest skill level category in pool. The skill level ranges from players who get excited at running 2 balls up to someone who has run a rack before. The player at the upper end of the range will almost never lose against a D player at the bottom end. Compare that to the C level where a C- player can certainly beat a C+ player on occasion.

I think it's important to make those distinctions at the lower level since if you are instituting handicapping, you want players at the mid D range to be able to be somewhat competitive in order to bring them back.
You make some good points. But the rating system that I proposed in this thread was just for an easy way to determine someone's speed by talking to them. If all I need to ask is, "Hey, how many racks can you occasionally run in a row?" -- and they answer, "Normally I can only run 1 rack, and that's it" -- then I can know that they are definitely a "C" player. But if they respond with, "I can routinely run 5 packs, but have once ran 7" -- then I know that I have no business gambling with them. :grin:
 
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