I agree with your idea, but I disagree with your adverb 'easily'. That would be some extremely creative thinking!
Digicue Blue. Guys are Afraid to Know?
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point taken
Still I imagine scamming can get as creative as it needs to. Encrypting the ball might do.
Not the same.
Anything I point out is to specially improve some aspect of his game. I tell him what’s wrong and how to fix it, and his game improves. IOWs it’s not just telling him some kind of metric about this stroke and leaving him twisting in the wind.
I’m sure there are wonky pool players out there that like that kind of info but as we’ve already established there’s no proof of improvement from such info whereas my friend has demonstrably improved from my pointers because I tell him what’s wrong and how to fix it.
Lou Figueroa
So let's consider the metric of follow-through.
Let's say the device tells a player that he had poor follow-through on a particular stroke. Does that leave him "twisting in the wind" because the device doesn't tell him how to fix the problem?
What do you tell a player re: how to fix poor follow-through?
What constitutes poor follow through?
And, if the ball goes into the pocket and the CB goes where the player wants, who cares?
Lou Figueroa
So now you're going to pretend to be an idiot just to make this conversation more difficult? Are you four years old?
I'm done with this nonsense. Enjoy your life.
Who cares? Yeah I have to agree. You are being an idiot on purpose. Get a life.
i hate to spoil the party but the digicue did not help me
reason being some of the feedback i dont feel
meaning i feel i hit a perfect stroke
the cue ball stops dead in its tracks
the object ball goes straight in the pocket
the device tells me i did several things "bad"
when i do hit it bad the device doesnt tell me how to fix it
i havent used it in a long time
but for examples
what would the device say if visually what looks like center but really i am 1/8 tip left
i stroke perfectly straight
my cue ball has left spin and i miss the shot
what would the device say
i stroke perfectly straight but am angled left
same left spin same miss
what would the device say
i twist the cue left and dont stroke straight
reason being some of the feedback i dont feel
meaning i feel i hit a perfect stroke
the cue ball stops dead in its tracks
the object ball goes straight in the pocket
the device tells me i did several things "bad"
when i do hit it bad the device doesnt tell me how to fix it
i havent used it in a long time
but for examples
what would the device say if visually what looks like center but really i am 1/8 tip left
i stroke perfectly straight
my cue ball has left spin and i miss the shot
what would the device say
i stroke perfectly straight but am angled left
same left spin same miss
what would the device say
i twist the cue left and dont stroke straight
Zero logic and more ad hominem, lol.
BTW, go tell a champion like Allen Hopkins about follow through. Then when he tells you you’re nuts you can proceed with more of the personal insults.
Lou Figueroa
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I've had my DCB for about 5 years or so. I think it has the most value for instructors helping students or people who already have decent mechanics and can self-diagnose and fix the problems it points out. If you're a clueless beginner without an instructor who can interpret your results, or if you have played the same way for 40 years and changing anything about your mechanics is damn near impossible due to hitting a million balls a certain way, it probably won't help you that much.
I got my money's worth out of mine pretty soon after purchasing it. I was getting terrible tip steer scores and could not figure out how to fix the problem. Out of curiosity, I shot a few dozen short, easy shots with my opposite hand with the DCB on my cue. Perfect 10/10 tip steer scores (and even a better straightness score) almost every time. Despite feeling like I had no control over my cue, I was actually delivering it on a much straighter line with my opposite hand.
That's when the lightbulb went off in my head and I realized my problem had to be grip-related. So I replicated my off-hand grip with my dominant hand and immediately started getting 10/10 tip steer scores with that hand, too. Over time, I had unknowingly started gripping my cue a bit too snugly with my dominant hand and tensing slightly just before impact. I didn't do any of those things with my opposite hand (likely due to zero expectations of playing well).
Fixing my tip steer problem absolutely improved my consistency as a pool player. It was an instant improvement that I 100% owe to the DCB (and one that an instructor may not have been able to diagnose, at least not without seeing my DCB tip steer results).
I got my money's worth out of mine pretty soon after purchasing it. I was getting terrible tip steer scores and could not figure out how to fix the problem. Out of curiosity, I shot a few dozen short, easy shots with my opposite hand with the DCB on my cue. Perfect 10/10 tip steer scores (and even a better straightness score) almost every time. Despite feeling like I had no control over my cue, I was actually delivering it on a much straighter line with my opposite hand.
That's when the lightbulb went off in my head and I realized my problem had to be grip-related. So I replicated my off-hand grip with my dominant hand and immediately started getting 10/10 tip steer scores with that hand, too. Over time, I had unknowingly started gripping my cue a bit too snugly with my dominant hand and tensing slightly just before impact. I didn't do any of those things with my opposite hand (likely due to zero expectations of playing well).
Fixing my tip steer problem absolutely improved my consistency as a pool player. It was an instant improvement that I 100% owe to the DCB (and one that an instructor may not have been able to diagnose, at least not without seeing my DCB tip steer results).
We have talked about this before and your desired features are legitimate, but a bit difficult to implement.
1. Diagnosis of a stroke flaw is easy, but offering instructions on a fix, beyond just a simple isolated sentence, requires situational analysis (a bunch of drills) and a database of many players strokes to compile your data against. It is straight forward but a huge project. It can be done but i definitely do not have the bandwidth or specific software skills to make it. Maybe someone else can do this for us as a community project, but I can’t do it by myself. If completed it would be an awesome feature.
2. To analyze real time cue alignment against visual alignment we would need something like smart glasses, which is extremely difficult hardware to design. It would be really cool though, but quite expensive. Also glasses sit low on your face so they would need to be special.
The DigiCue is only good for telling you what you did with the cue dynamically during your stroke. It can not measure anything static. For $160 the trade offs you get with the DigiCue, people find are still worth the money.
I haven't used the device for more than a few minutes, but in theory it seems like it should be straightforward for a person to figure out simply through trial-and-error what's wrong with their stroke.
It's like putting in an electric fence for a dog. Shock it enough and it'll figure out where the fence boundaries are and how to not get shocked. Except that instead of shocks you have vibration and app feedback, and instead of figuring out boundaries in a yard, you're figuring out how to stroke a cue ball well.
The only way I could see this going wrong is if it's possible for somebody to develop a super f**ked-up stroke that somehow still makes the device happy.
I believe in many ways knowledge can be power
We have spoken /pm-ed
And although the info did not directly help me fix my problems
I found the The info one more piece of information or better said many more pieces of information regarding my stroke
I commend you for what you were able to develop and do think it has a place in peoples journey to improve
If they are so inclined to find the information useful
Whether it guides them in how to fix the problems or not
I still think the best way to learn is with an Instructer
But your tool is added info
Jmho
Icbw
Back to the ball, it's a measuring device. There's bound to be homework involved.
The CB and the OB and the pocket will tell you all you need to know.
Lou Figueroa
So far but with the drone ball you can correlate actual pool to data.
Analysts can make it work. I'll stick to personalized ignorance.