Distance of V to Fixed CCB

[BeiberLvr]

In the illustration below, the red line represents the center of a fixed center cue ball. The blue line is the line the cue is on after a left visual sweep (or manual pivot).

Surely there must be a way to

A. Mark the location of the fixed CCB (pre pivot)
i. Maybe have the shooter point a laser dot at it, and then someone could mark a spot on the table with some chalk.

B. Measure the distance of the V in the bridge hand to the location of the fixed CCB (pre pivot)



Would there be any significance if either

A. The distance was the SAME on various shots

B. The distance was DIFFERENT on various shots.

 

[mohrt]

In the illustration below, the red line represents the center of a fixed center cue ball. The blue line is the line the cue is on after a left visual sweep (or manual pivot).

Surely there must be a way to

A. Mark the location of the fixed CCB (pre pivot)
i. Maybe have the shooter point a laser dot at it, and then someone could mark a spot on the table with some chalk.

B. Measure the distance of the V in the bridge hand to the location of the fixed CCB (pre pivot)



Would there be any significance if either

A. The distance was the SAME on various shots

B. The distance was DIFFERENT on various shots.

I've been through that, and I think it can differ shot to shot. The important thing is to let your eyes lead the way to CCB, not the pivot or the bridge hand. See this recent post of mine.

http://www.billiardsthegame.com/cte-dissecting-the-pivot-855

 

[ENGLISH!]

This is part of what Colin has so diplomatically put out more as food for thought.

He has studied pivoting rather extensively & has indicated that even the most minute variance can be responsible for some rather huge & significant differences.

He has also shown that if the pivot point of the cue is used for the purpose of BHE, there can be a rather wide range that works fine.

 

[Sloppy Pockets]

This is part of what Colin has so diplomatically put out more as food for thought.

He has studied pivoting rather extensively & has indicated that even the most minute variance can be responsible for some rather huge & significant differences.

He has also shown that if dthe pivot point of the cue is use for the purpose of BHE, there can be a rather wide range that works fine.

I think Colin is more concerned with pivoting to avoid squirt than he is with pivot-based aiming methods.

 

[ENGLISH!]

I think Colin is more concerned with pivoting to avoid squirt than he is with pivot-based aiming methods.

I agree.

But what do his 'concerns' matter regarding the facts?

I think his main focus being BHE is why he has made only a few very diplomatic posts on the matter as simply food for though when it relates to pivot based aiming methods.

 

[Neil]

I agree.

But what do his 'concerns' matter regarding the facts?

I think his main focus being BHE is why he has made only a few very diplomatic posts on the matter as simply food for though when it relates to pivot based aiming methods.

What do the facts matter according to you? You show that you still have no concept of the pivot used in CTE. You think Colin's test have something to do with the pivots in CTE and 90/90. As I have shown in the past, they don't have a thing to do with it. Not surprising is the fact that after all this time, you still haven't learned that.

And, I will provide a quote of yours- "I was going to give you more of an explanation but I'm not so inclined given your bad smart a$$ attitude."

 

[ENGLISH!]

What do the facts matter according to you? You show that you still have no concept of the pivot used in CTE. You think Colin's test have something to do with the pivots in CTE and 90/90. As I have shown in the past, they don't have a thing to do with it. Not surprising is the fact that after all this time, you still haven't learned that.

And, I will provide a quote of yours- "I was going to give you more of an explanation but I'm not so inclined given your bad smart a$$ attitude."

I've ignored you for a time now & I almost hate giving you even this attention...

but as usual for you, you misrepresent matters & quote completely out of context on a COMPLETELY different subject matter.

I really really want to say more about you but...

I'll just stop there per the request made of me...

 

[Neil]

I've ignored you for a time now & I almost hate giving you even this attention...

but as usual for you, you misrepresent matters & quote completely out of context on a COMPLETELY different subject matter.

I really really want to say more about you but...

I'll just stop there per the request made of me...

Rick, YOU are the one that misrepresented as soon as you brought up Colin's tests on pivoting. If you actually knew what you were talking about, you would know that his test has no bearing whatsoever on the pivot properly used in CTE and 90/90.

The only reason you hate responding to me and a few others is simply because you have no facts to back up anything you say. And, instead of actually discussing things, you always want to turn everything into a fight.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Variances in ALL types of pivots yield differences.

For anyone to infer otherwise is nonsense & one that does such is nonsensical.

Colin has studied more types of pivots than just pivots that relate to BHE.

 

[Neil]

Variances in ALL types of pivots yield differences.

For anyone to infer otherwise is nonsense & one that does such is nonsensical.

Colin has studied more types of pivotsthan just pivots that relate to BHE.

No, what is nonsensical is that you fail to read posts and make any effort at all to understand the system, yet you feel the need to post in any thread concerning CTE.

As Mohrt pointed out, and has been stated many times on here, the pivot in CTE and in 90/90 is a visual pivot. It is not a pivot off the bridge hand at all. It is an aligning of the cue to the line going through the center of the cb.

 

[ENGLISH!]

So... CTE never had a manual pivot & the visual sweep is not supposed to be equal to the manual pivot?

Then some people have been doing a lot of misleading in the past, haven't they?

I wonder how many out there are still struggling to make it work using a manual pivot?

The poor fools.

Isn't there a rather long whole You Tube Video by Stan explaining in great detail exactly how to get the V of the bridge hand in precisely the correct offset position to make the manual pivot on?

 

[336Robin]

Measuring Distance

In the illustration below, the red line represents the center of a fixed center cue ball. The blue line is the line the cue is on after a left visual sweep (or manual pivot).

Surely there must be a way to

A. Mark the location of the fixed CCB (pre pivot)
i. Maybe have the shooter point a laser dot at it, and then someone could mark a spot on the table with some chalk.

B. Measure the distance of the V in the bridge hand to the location of the fixed CCB (pre pivot)



Would there be any significance if either

A. The distance was the SAME on various shots

B. The distance was DIFFERENT on various shots.

Im not a CTE guy but I do have a way I measure distance. I use my cue stick to measure distance in diamond lengths some various spin shots if I have a doubt on how to allow for a shot.

A cue is 4 and one half diamonds in length.

Its 2 diamonds from the tip to the lacquer mark on most cues and 3 diamonds to about 3 inches or so past the joint. Half way of the 2 diamond distance is easy to spot.

If you are measuring to the center of the cue ball and you feel you need to be precise then you should be able to arrive at useable distance. If you are placing your v of your bridge at a certain spot that might be a little harder to learn to pin point. Im sure you can figure it out though.

 

[Neil]

So... CTE never had a manual pivot & the visual sweep is not supposed to equal to the manual pivot?

Then some people have been doing a lot of misleading in the past, haven't they?

I wonder how many out there are still struggling to make it work using a manual pivot?

The poor fools.

Isn't there a rather long whole You Tube Video by Stan explaining in great detail exactly how to get the V of the bridge hand in precisely the correct offset position to make the manual pivot on?

As usual, you make false assertions due to a total lack of knowledge on the subject. You don't even make any attempt to try and understand what was just told you.

Why not take your own advice, and just let others be? To constantly do nothing on here but try and cause discord and divisiveness is nothing short of just plain evil. You seem to revel in it.

 

[ENGLISH!]

As usual, you make false assertions due to a total lack of knowledge on the subject. You don't even make any attempt to try and understand what was just told you.

Why not take your own advice, and just let others be? To constantly do nothing on here but try and cause discord and divisiveness is nothing short of just plain evil. You seem to revel in it.

Yet no answer to any of those questions regarding pivoting.

If you & others would take note...

if YOU had not made your misrepresentative post to me, then "I" would have only the one post in this thread.

The rest is due to YOUR nonsense, etc.

As usual, it is YOU that takes threads off onto derailments.

Pivot variances cause differences.

For anyone to say or suggest otherwise is nonsensical.

 

[Neil]

Yet no answer to any of those questions regarding pivoting.

If you & others would take note...

if YOU had not made your misrepresentative post to me, then "I" would have only the one post in this thread.

The rest is due to YOUR nonsense, etc.

As usual, it is YOU that takes threads off onto derailments.

Pivot variances cause differences.

For anyone to say or suggest otherwise is nonsensical.

If you would actually READ once in awhile, you would clearly see that I did answer the question. The fact that you are not able to comprehend that is on you, not me.

As far as nonsense, that is all your post ever are. And, if you stopped posting, you wouldn't have any more posts in this thread.

 

[oldmanatc]

So... CTE never had a manual pivot & the visual sweep is not supposed to be equal to the manual pivot?

Then some people have been doing a lot of misleading in the past, haven't they?

I wonder how many out there are still struggling to make it work using a manual pivot?

The poor fools.

Isn't there a rather long whole You Tube Video by Stan explaining in great detail exactly how to get the V of the bridge hand in precisely the correct offset position to make the manual pivot on?

No there is a manual pivot still. The bridge distance varies due to distance between CB and OB. This is true for all pivot aiming systems. There is a chart on the dvd you can memorize. The visual sweeps account for this difference. As to your next questions English, through practice we can very accurately estimate a 1/2 tip visual sweep.

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[ENGLISH!]

Variances in pivots yield differences.

To say, suggest, or infer otherwise is nonsensical & irrational.

 

[mohrt]

Whether you pivot or sweep, there is only one CCB from the 1/2 tip offset. The cue needs to go there. You can pivot to it, sweep to it, you could even pick your cue up, remove it from your field of vision, then lay it back down. The important thing is to end up on CCB, which there is only one. For most shots this is a natural pivot from a comfortable bridge distance. Shorter shots require a shorter bridge for the pivot to work. But again, important part is cue destination = CCB. The pivot does not determine the cue destination, but rather the cue destination determines how the pivot is executed.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Whether you pivot or sweep, there is only one CCB from the 1/2 tip offset. The cue needs to go there. You can pivot to it, sweep to it, you could even pick your cue up, remove it from your field of vision, then lay it back down. The important thing is to end up on CCB, which there is only one. For most shots this is a natural pivot from a comfortable bridge distance. Shorter shots require a shorter bridge for the pivot to work. But again, important part is cue destination = CCB. The pivot does not determine the cue destination, but rather the cue destination determines how the pivot is executed.

Never mind.

 

[Neil]

Never mind.

I guess it's easier to type "nevermind" when you are proven wrong once again, than to say that you are sorry for what you said to me just because you didn't understand.