Do Pro Players Cheat?
- Thread starter Jason Robichaud
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Oh that's great man, hilarious, wish I had the balls to do that, lol. Maybe only to one of my friends I would. Yeah, I totally agree, it really bugs me too when people do this and it throws your game off. It's one thing if you really mean it and are playing a friendly game with either a good buddy, or an opponent where you both have a mutual respect for eachother. But you can tell when somebody does this on purpose just because your on a good run or they're pissed off that your doing so well or whatever the reason may be. Unfortunately that's just the way the world is I'm afraid, there's just a lot of messed up people out there. Nothing we can do about it.PoolBum said:
lncanada9 said:
Wow. That's some harsh words there, Larry. But I have to say I agree with you. There are so many things that can be done "off the table" that can be considered as cheating. I'll be honest, there are times when I wished I had something to calm me down (even if it's just a smoke!) when I've played.
I've always believed in playing an honest game. Hell, even when I'm just shooting for fun with my buddy I'll call a foul on myself, it's the way I was brought up. I did it a few weeks ago, moved a ball when shooting on the 8 for a run out. My pal said it was OK by him, I said no. He threatened to quit if I didn't take the shot. We were playing for fun so I made the 8, but I refused to add the game to the score. My philosophy is if you look someone in the eye & know in your heart you cheated then you're nowhere near the player you think you are & you damn well don't deserve to win.
If I can't win fairly I'd rather not play at all.
Ade.
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lncanada9 said:
Enchalada whatever it is you're smoking, you better quit before it is too late.
Everybody cheats, except me!
When people start telling me how honest they are, I start counting the silverware and checking my back pocket to make sure my wallet is still there.
Now, I'm going to put my tin foil hat back on and go sit in the corner.
When people start telling me how honest they are, I start counting the silverware and checking my back pocket to make sure my wallet is still there.
Now, I'm going to put my tin foil hat back on and go sit in the corner.
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Of course some pros cheat, alot of them are broke and they will do anything for a win. There are alot of good people out there however. Charlie Bryant is a great guy and very honest, so is Ernesto Dominguez, Danny Harriman, Efren, Bustamante, Grady Matthews, etc. These are all great guys and honest people. I've seen some pretty bad stuff done by some other players that I won't name, but on one occasion I was disgusted. Player 'A' sunk the 9ball, and the cueball was rolling, and it was about 2 inches before coming to a dead stop in the middle of the table, no chance of scratching. Player A picks up the cueball as usual, and player 'B' calls a foul, because he picked up the cueball while it was still moving (it was barely rolling at all). There was nothing player A could do, because a rule is a rule, but that is a pretty unsportsman like move to do that. If the cueball was rolling towards a pocket, then of course call a foul, but if its just about to stop in the middle of the table with no chance of scratching, that's just wrong to call a foul IMO.
I think Earl (for me) has just about done or covered everything that would brand him excessively unsportsmanlike. TBH it doesn't really surprise me now that i seen just about all the antics.
I mean it was televised for crying out loud with a audience as well so i am amazed that he wasn't "publically" embarressed considering there was probably a good couple of thousand pair of eyes that witnessed this because surely things like this should differentiate the amaeteurs from the pros? You can argue all you like whether not he cheating but it certaily one of the worst displays of bad sportsmanship. (he got what he deserved btw)
I have watched quite a lot of televised snooker over here in the uk and i can honestly say it extremely rare for someone "not" to call fouls on themselves even when no one has noticed a foul commited. You would think that this level of sportsmanship would apply to more than one kind of sport. Pool imo is in many ways just as a great game as any other sport so it shouldn't be a exception.
I mean it was televised for crying out loud with a audience as well so i am amazed that he wasn't "publically" embarressed considering there was probably a good couple of thousand pair of eyes that witnessed this because surely things like this should differentiate the amaeteurs from the pros? You can argue all you like whether not he cheating but it certaily one of the worst displays of bad sportsmanship. (he got what he deserved btw)
I have watched quite a lot of televised snooker over here in the uk and i can honestly say it extremely rare for someone "not" to call fouls on themselves even when no one has noticed a foul commited. You would think that this level of sportsmanship would apply to more than one kind of sport. Pool imo is in many ways just as a great game as any other sport so it shouldn't be a exception.
The short answer to all this has a few names.....
Ethics
Self respect
Honor
Morals
Character
>What has the game become if you can't say "nice shot" to someone, as long as it isn't a jab for a lucky roll....etc? You hear/see top Pros in ALL other sports/games acknowledge good play.
Does that same guy tell the whole audience to shut up if they clap or say nice shot? maybe He doesn't play in front of an audience for that reason?
sheesh, Gerry
Ethics
Self respect
Honor
Morals
Character
>What has the game become if you can't say "nice shot" to someone, as long as it isn't a jab for a lucky roll....etc? You hear/see top Pros in ALL other sports/games acknowledge good play.
Does that same guy tell the whole audience to shut up if they clap or say nice shot? maybe He doesn't play in front of an audience for that reason?
sheesh, Gerry
So, some of them sometime I am hearing. Are the rules of play adjusted for these professionals? Everyone is mentioning one particular name and some of his antics. I know at amateur level events I have seen almost fist fights for less. I have never watched someone mark the table with powdery hand prints nor would it be allowed.
I would like to ask if a Hohmann or Reyes lifted a cue as to strike at someone or barked at the crowd and players would it be stopped? These guys sit very quietly (from what I have seen) and wait their chance. Would this get a big gasp and wow from the crowd and the tournament be forced to take action?
Maybe lack of a governing body for professional pool players effects this. I don’t know if a Hohmann or Reyes can get suspended? Professionals have a thousand different events that they can play. The event that suspended Reyes would just have one less big name on the card and possibly a competing event down the street. Reyes playing no-names for $2000 or two top players competing for $5000. Which do I spend my spectator $$ on!!!
Men’s pool is entertaining to say the least. It is like a David Blaine show. You stay tuned because you never now what you are going to see…and when you do see it…you have no idea what you have just seen.
I guess professional players go by the EVF rules…ENTERTAINMENT VALUE FACTOR rules!
I would like to ask if a Hohmann or Reyes lifted a cue as to strike at someone or barked at the crowd and players would it be stopped? These guys sit very quietly (from what I have seen) and wait their chance. Would this get a big gasp and wow from the crowd and the tournament be forced to take action?
Maybe lack of a governing body for professional pool players effects this. I don’t know if a Hohmann or Reyes can get suspended? Professionals have a thousand different events that they can play. The event that suspended Reyes would just have one less big name on the card and possibly a competing event down the street. Reyes playing no-names for $2000 or two top players competing for $5000. Which do I spend my spectator $$ on!!!
Men’s pool is entertaining to say the least. It is like a David Blaine show. You stay tuned because you never now what you are going to see…and when you do see it…you have no idea what you have just seen.
I guess professional players go by the EVF rules…ENTERTAINMENT VALUE FACTOR rules!
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bobroberts said:
Ahh, I see. Thanks for clearing up any moral questions on this matter.
Yes, I suppose that is to be expected if one has the attitude/mentality of that stated in your first sentence above.
Ummmm, I fail to see how you can even compare this. In this case, it's called strategy; play safe on your opponent, force them to kick at it and hopefully miss.
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elizabeth said:
Really?? I heard several years ago that Sang Lee called a foul on himself -- apparently his shirt had touched the cue ball. No one else saw this at all, but Sang was honest enough to call it.
I also heard that George Breedlove called a foul on himself in some match in the last year or so.
Sweet Marissa said:
All I can say is, you haven't seen much golf
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ive seen it
i was watchin a DCC video with brumbeck(sorry if its spelled wrong) vs. piggy(cant remember his real name) and piggy stopped the cue ball frozen to the rail with his stick. it was very subtle however very noticable and the official didnt see it but brumbeck went nuts about it. it was an obviously intentional foul.
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i was watchin a DCC video with brumbeck(sorry if its spelled wrong) vs. piggy(cant remember his real name) and piggy stopped the cue ball frozen to the rail with his stick. it was very subtle however very noticable and the official didnt see it but brumbeck went nuts about it. it was an obviously intentional foul.
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Thats when you crack your cue over his head and say 'thats a nice shot"PoolBum said:
How about the time when Earl was playing Shannon and Shannon was down getting ready to shoot the 5 ball. Earl jumped out of his chair, went and stopped him. Reason being is because the 4 was still on the table and Earl didnt want to let him shoot the wrong ball.
Keep em coming though.Dont just bear down and play your game. Instead worry about someone moving there leg, saying nice shot or having a couple drinks or something before they play.
Keep em coming though.Dont just bear down and play your game. Instead worry about someone moving there leg, saying nice shot or having a couple drinks or something before they play.
Jack Hynes
Jumpin Jack - that's a blast from the past - what a monster player he was - he had it ALL - effortlessly HUGE break, subject to make anything, touch, one of the very few I've seen could make a 9 footer look like a bar box (Strickland and Buddy come to mind)...but something went awry.
Stevie McAnnich was in his shadow for years but eventually emerged as the the more successful player...for a while (but what happpened to him?)
Seemed like Strickland was the only player that intimidated him - did everything just a hair better - could be what done him in.
inthezone - it's where I wanna be...
PoolBum said:
Jumpin Jack - that's a blast from the past - what a monster player he was - he had it ALL - effortlessly HUGE break, subject to make anything, touch, one of the very few I've seen could make a 9 footer look like a bar box (Strickland and Buddy come to mind)...but something went awry.
Stevie McAnnich was in his shadow for years but eventually emerged as the the more successful player...for a while (but what happpened to him?)
Seemed like Strickland was the only player that intimidated him - did everything just a hair better - could be what done him in.
inthezone - it's where I wanna be...