Do you see what I see?

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I'm watching the Science channel (Direct channel 284). The show is called, Do You See What I See?

It's for anyone into aiming, colors of balls tables and rooms, perceptions, mood, energy levels, or just vision in general.

The show investigates the senses, especially the eyes, and how those affect and effect behavior and perception.

I think it would be a good watch to help one better understand aiming, and I'd like some comments about it from some here. I can see why all the arguments here about aiming after watching one episode.

Beware, the commercials come fast and furious.

Ooops...back to the show.

Jeff Livingston
 
I wonder if the 8 ball is hardest to shoot at. Is the 7 ball the second? and is the 9 ball hard because it looks like the 1 but isn't. And if the balls are striped, is it harder to pocket? if so why do my teammates always choose the stripes? We never get the trophy.
 
I wonder if the 8 ball is hardest to shoot at. Is the 7 ball the second? and is the 9 ball hard because it looks like the 1 but isn't. And if the balls are striped, is it harder to pocket? if so why do my teammates always choose the stripes? We never get the trophy.

Gene and I were talking about that. The 6 usually matches the table color and has caused each of us some problems at one time or another. I have problems with the 7 ball for some reason. I think that the stripes are easier as they have more lines on them, but that could be a crutch.

I, and almost every player I know, have run a rack of solids in 8-ball only to realize that, after I pot the 8, the 1 ball is sitting on the far end rail, laughing at me.

The show's conclusion, after all the broo ha ha, was that we each see things differently except for those things we have in common that resemble nature. Not sure if I agree after watching all that.

Some interesting tidbits of the shows are the effects on what color we or our opponents wear, the lighting colors, and even the sounds and other senses. Clothing color even affects the referees' calls. There's value there for pool players, imho.

I'm sure the series will be rerun. Aren't they all?

Jeff Livingston
 
Gene and I were talking about that. The 6 usually matches the table color and has caused each of us some problems at one time or another. I have problems with the 7 ball for some reason. I think that the stripes are easier as they have more lines on them, but that could be a crutch.

I, and almost every player I know, have run a rack of solids in 8-ball only to realize that, after I pot the 8, the 1 ball is sitting on the far end rail, laughing at me.

The show's conclusion, after all the broo ha ha, was that we each see things differently except for those things we have in common that resemble nature. Not sure if I agree after watching all that.

Some interesting tidbits of the shows are the effects on what color we or our opponents wear, the lighting colors, and even the sounds and other senses. Clothing color even affects the referees' calls. There's value there for pool players, imho.

I'm sure the series will be rerun. Aren't they all?

Jeff Livingston

Jeff:

I'm jealous -- I wish I were able to watch during the day, but alas, a chilly data center is my abode.

As to the subject matter, I agree. There are times when the 6-ball or the 14-ball give me trouble on green cloth, and likewise for the 2-ball and 10-ball on Simonis tournament blue (yes, I know those balls are darker than the bright blue cloth, but not by much).

It's also why, in one pocket, it's a no-no (you'll actually get very stern looks, perhaps a few choice words from your opponent) if you rack two very-closely-colored, e.g. the 6-ball and the 8-ball together at the head/apex of the rack. I make sure when I rack for my opponent, that I put the two brightest balls in the rack -- the 1-ball and the 5-ball -- in the second row, with an extremely dark ball as the head/apex ball (e.g. the 7-ball or the 8-ball). This gives maximum contrast for my opponent, to effect a proper classic one pocket break.

Also, in the classic days of 14.1, it was considered proper form -- and was actually in the official rules at one point -- to rack the two brightest balls in the rack, the 1-ball and 5-ball, at the corners of the rack during the opening break:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_pool
220px-Straight_Pool_Rack.jpg

(For those familiar with 14.1, the reason should be clear -- those corner balls are your aiming target for the classic opening break, which is a safety break, and it's also easier to tell if these two object balls touch a cushion in the opening break precisely because they are the brightest balls in the palette of colors in the rack.)

I obviously digressed for a moment there, but it kinda falls in line as to why, for example, you didn't "see" the 1-ball when you cleared the rest of the solids off of the table and pocketed the 8-ball. Mentally, perhaps "yellow" registers in the mind as "that's the 9-ball, which is a stripe" or something like that.

-Sean
 
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Gene and I were talking about that. The 6 usually matches the table color and has caused each of us some problems at one time or another. I have problems with the 7 ball for some reason. I think that the stripes are easier as they have more lines on them, but that could be a crutch.

I, and almost every player I know, have run a rack of solids in 8-ball only to realize that, after I pot the 8, the 1 ball is sitting on the far end rail, laughing at me.

The show's conclusion, after all the broo ha ha, was that we each see things differently except for those things we have in common that resemble nature. Not sure if I agree after watching all that.

Some interesting tidbits of the shows are the effects on what color we or our opponents wear, the lighting colors, and even the sounds and other senses. Clothing color even affects the referees' calls. There's value there for pool players, imho.

I'm sure the series will be rerun. Aren't they all?

Jeff Livingston

Nature to be commanded must be obeyed. I learned a few years back the importance of doing things within the boundaries of natures intentions. Brighter colors are easier to locate. Like flowers and pollen to bees, dark colors to us signal adverse outcomes. Although we are very advanced in thought, we are still animals. We react to nature on a subconscious level mostly through our sight sense. The eye is a very responsive mechanism. Unless you're smoking some good stuff, its very hard to deceive the eyes. I once drank tea thinking it was soda, and it tastes like soda for a half second. Because our sighting sense is so powerful and reactive, it is that hard to deal with certain colors of balls, mainly colors denoting negative feedback.
 
I wonder if the 8 ball is hardest to shoot at. Is the 7 ball the second? and is the 9 ball hard because it looks like the 1 but isn't. And if the balls are striped, is it harder to pocket? if so why do my teammates always choose the stripes? We never get the trophy.
The 4-ball can be tough to shoot at. I know an instructor who keeps a set of 15 of the purple balls for practice!
 
This might explain why I can no longer aim well. Borrowed it from a Facebook post. Ignore the share part.

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WHOA.....now that was cool. In color also.

Does this mean I am doomed as a pool player.

Thanks

John

Actually, it means, "don't spend too much time scrutinizing that shot's aim... for if you do it long enough, the color of the object ball will actually change and you'll foul."

:p

Seriously, that's a great visual memory / chromatics experiment. It's actually been around forever. In fact, any good-quality graphics editing software (e.g. PhotoShop, ImageMagick, GIMP) have the special filter where you can reverse the colors in the photo to the opposite end of the spectrum. Once you do that, you can substitute your reversed-chromatics photo for the photo of the girl in the above graphic, and do the exact same experiment with the same results.

-Sean
 
This might explain why I can no longer aim well. Borrowed it from a Facebook post. Ignore the share part.

405321_10151079357894771_846980451_n.jpg

This seems like a good time to tell you guys about one of my aiming "secrets." I shared it with Geno. It is similar to the photo effect quoted here.

If you want to see the aiming line for either the cb or the ob but just can't "see" it in your mind, you can use a similar technique to the above photo/dot on nose thingy....

Place your cue tip on the ghost ball resting point. Rotate your cue so it is in line with the ob's desired direction. Everything's lined up to the target (usually the pocket).

Now, run your eyes up and down your cue shaft for a few seconds (it doesn't take 15 seconds, but maybe 5 or so). Then, quickly look up at the path the ob will be taking and you'll "see" a line that is the ob's path. It is the negative of the cue shaft color, usually a dark line if your shaft is light colored. Ever had your photo taken with a flash camera and you "see" a dot in the air after the photo was taken? It's like that.

This is helpful when you just can't see the shot for some reason. It also helps to visualize a hard shot or a shot that requires precise aiming.

I know our newest poster here isn't into this technique, but it can help for some players on some shots, this I know.

fwiw,

Jeff Livingston
 
I know our newest poster here isn't into this technique, but it can help for some players on some shots, this I know.

Did you mean me? I'm not new to reading or posting at AZ and I do a similar technique often on challenging cuts.
 
I "sorta" understand the effect of the image in my post above - I just don't know why she fades out as she exits right. Does she float to the right for you guys? Anyway, she left. :grin:
 
This seems like a good time to tell you guys about one of my aiming "secrets." I shared it with Geno. It is similar to the photo effect quoted here.

If you want to see the aiming line for either the cb or the ob but just can't "see" it in your mind, you can use a similar technique to the above photo/dot on nose thingy....

Place your cue tip on the ghost ball resting point. Rotate your cue so it is in line with the ob's desired direction. Everything's lined up to the target (usually the pocket).

Now, run your eyes up and down your cue shaft for a few seconds (it doesn't take 15 seconds, but maybe 5 or so). Then, quickly look up at the path the ob will be taking and you'll "see" a line that is the ob's path. It is the negative of the cue shaft color, usually a dark line if your shaft is light colored. Ever had your photo taken with a flash camera and you "see" a dot in the air after the photo was taken? It's like that.

This is helpful when you just can't see the shot for some reason. It also helps to visualize a hard shot or a shot that requires precise aiming.

I know our newest poster here isn't into this technique, but it can help for some players on some shots, this I know.

fwiw,

Jeff Livingston

I have been using this technique for combinations, it works very good for me
 
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