Does 3/4 of an oz and 1/2 mm make a difference?

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I started playing pool again after a 12yr hiatus, purchased a Becue cue added some weight till it felt good and started banging balls Jan 1 2023, got a Valley table in Oct. of 2023 and have been able to practice everyday since then.

I feel as though as I was progressing well but my draw stroke was inconsistent, I have one cue shaft that is 11.8 mm and one that is 12.3mm, I have been using the 11.8mm shaft exclusively for about a year, F=MA, force is equal to mass x acceleration, so I wondered if I dropped some of the weight in my cue would that help my speed of stroke and how much the loss of weight would affect the other parts of my game.

I like a forward weighted cue, mine had plenty of that, dropped a 1/2 oz off the cue, I didn't think that would make much difference but was surprised at how much it felt different, still forward weighted but noticeably different, hit some balls with it and liked the result so why not try another 1/2 oz? Now while still forward weighted it is totally different, speed of stroke has increased and getting good spin on the ball but it feels a little light to me, added a 1/4 oz of weight and now I'm really liking the feel of this, Becue cues have a really cool weight bolt system that makes it super easy to do this.

One problem, my spin / speed control seems to have disappeared, even moving closer to center ball I am not getting the expected results, since I'm in an experimenting mood I try the 12.3mm shaft, 1/2 of one millimeter difference, both of the shafts are the same length, 1/2 of one millimeter difference, WOW !!!!
I had the cue ball on a string, it took about an hour or so but I was running 6 balls at a time on a consistent basis, my draw was better, and still had plenty of spin.

So even though force equals mass x acceleration, in a pool stroke it's better to have more acceleration than mass because acceleration has more affect on spin, a lighter cue will require more speed for the same shot as a heavier one, It's worth it to take the time and find the balance that is right for you, I would have lost the bet if you bet me 3/4 of an oz and 1/2 of a millimeter would make a big difference.
 
Same argument, different topic on a car guy board I visit...about a car's polar moment of inertia. Basically, the fore and aft center of weight in a car and how it effects the car's handling. Would say 20 pounds one way or another make a difference to the driver? My contention was that yes, it could make a difference to a skilled pro on any given track, but to the average amateur racer, no. The amateur doesn't have the training, skill, or experience to notice the difference.

I believe it's probably pretty much the same with pool players. 3/4 of an ounce and 1/2 mm could mean a lot to a top pro. To a casual league player, not so much...

But make the variation big enough, and it will matter to both the pro and the amateur...

(edit) But of course, anybody posting here has near pro skill, right? :rolleyes:
 
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also, can you even compare the two shafts side by side? are they the same make, length and model / taper? do they have the same make and softness of tip (very important)? are the tips approximately the same age?
 
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I have no idea how much my cue weighs. Had no clue how much my old cue weighed. Clearly I can't say how much difference in weight (if any) there is between the two of them but I want to say the original is lighter.

I experienced zero loss of ability to move the CB around. Guess if the need to adjust was there, my mind/body just sorted it out. Funny how we can adapt if we allow ourselves to.

much ado about nothing
 
... in a pool stroke it's better to have more acceleration than mass because acceleration has more affect on spin, a lighter cue will require more speed for the same shot as a heavier one
Different ratios of mass/acceleration can produce the same force which will produce the same speed/spin - only the total force matters, not the ratio of its components.

pj
chgo
 
I think a lighter cue helps you draw the ball because you have more wrist snap. Try shooting a draw shot by only moving your wrist and not your arm and you'll be amazed at how far you can draw the ball by only doing that.
 
I started playing pool again after a 12yr hiatus, purchased a Becue cue added some weight till it felt good and started banging balls Jan 1 2023, got a Valley table in Oct. of 2023 and have been able to practice everyday since then.

I feel as though as I was progressing well but my draw stroke was inconsistent, I have one cue shaft that is 11.8 mm and one that is 12.3mm, I have been using the 11.8mm shaft exclusively for about a year, F=MA, force is equal to mass x acceleration, so I wondered if I dropped some of the weight in my cue would that help my speed of stroke and how much the loss of weight would affect the other parts of my game.

I like a forward weighted cue, mine had plenty of that, dropped a 1/2 oz off the cue, I didn't think that would make much difference but was surprised at how much it felt different, still forward weighted but noticeably different, hit some balls with it and liked the result so why not try another 1/2 oz? Now while still forward weighted it is totally different, speed of stroke has increased and getting good spin on the ball but it feels a little light to me, added a 1/4 oz of weight and now I'm really liking the feel of this, Becue cues have a really cool weight bolt system that makes it super easy to do this.

One problem, my spin / speed control seems to have disappeared, even moving closer to center ball I am not getting the expected results, since I'm in an experimenting mood I try the 12.3mm shaft, 1/2 of one millimeter difference, both of the shafts are the same length, 1/2 of one millimeter difference, WOW !!!!
I had the cue ball on a string, it took about an hour or so but I was running 6 balls at a time on a consistent basis, my draw was better, and still had plenty of spin.

So even though force equals mass x acceleration, in a pool stroke it's better to have more acceleration than mass because acceleration has more affect on spin, a lighter cue will require more speed for the same shot as a heavier one, It's worth it to take the time and find the balance that is right for you, I would have lost the bet if you bet me 3/4 of an oz and 1/2 of a millimeter would make a big difference.
ask your wife. ;)
 
Different ratios of mass/acceleration can produce the same force which will produce the same speed/spin - only the total force matters, not the ratio of its components.

pj
chgo
Different ratios of mass/acceleration can produce the same force......this is true, ........which will produce the same speed/spin.......this can't be true, in order to get equal force you must lower acceleration if you increase mass and vice versa, by lowering the mass of my cue I had to increase the speed of my stroke to get an equal force, this speed helped spin needed for draw/force follow shots.
 
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