Does anyone know if the new SlipSTic is available
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tjlmbklr said:
http://www.slipstic.com/buyhere.htm
It appears they have just begun shipping out the new product.
Lisa
Is this new product an all in one? Also what exactly do they mean by cleaner/"STABILIZER"? Does anyone know how the cleaner works? I mean it says it is residue free and keeps the cue smooth for weeks but doesn't that imply they coat the cue?
I've never used anything on my cues in the past, just damp rag, burnish and leave the wood as is. Maybe it's my mindset, but I just can't get around putting a product on my cue and leaving it.
I've never used anything on my cues in the past, just damp rag, burnish and leave the wood as is. Maybe it's my mindset, but I just can't get around putting a product on my cue and leaving it.
twilight said:
The cleaner, both as the stand alone blue bottle and the new packaged one, cleans surface area only from greases and dirt. It will not raise the grain. Some players decide to deal with harsh chemicals, including Magic Eraser which the manufacturer states is not to be used on bare wood, because they want the cue shaft to look super clean. The "Stabilizer" actually breaks down any chemicals left behind and washes them away so your cue shaft will not be harmed.
We also agree with you that you should put nothing on your cue shaft, simply condition it. Our product conditions the shaft as most quality custom shafts are. Tim Scruggs, Mike Webb and Mark Bear are a few known cue makers and shaft makers that use it on their own personal cues too. Even though our product is in liquid form, the primary difference is that we stay away from moistures which is the # 1 reason for tackiness and grit collection.
tjlmbklr said:
Yes, we have been shipping. As stated, you can pick it up at one of the retailers found at http://www.slipstic.com/buyhere.htm as ridelikethewind stated.
This is probably one of the best achievements we have. One problem was that many players like the pure conditioner, others wanted something in a lower price range. This new product is the same Conditioner except that we add a cleaner to it. The cleaner does not break down or interfere with the conditioner. It does its job and within about 1.5 minutes completely dissipates with no residue leaving only the conditioner behind. It is also very safe, ozone and environmentally friendly and is NOT flammable.
The leather burnish is a great add-in because as you use it to apply the product, some of the conditioner stays behind on the leather. The leather by itself can be used without the need to add more product during play.
I am 100% behind SlipStic, fantastic stuff they have especially when you look at the billiard market as a whole...
I do have one comment/question, I thought that the magic erasure was actually just a super-super-fine foam, something like 1000x more fine than other things.
The description I read was that basically the foam has these super small "cells" that are, when compared to any other product for cleaning, like a million times more fine. And when you "cut" the foam into the blocks, the edges are basically the "sides" of each cell only now sticking out, like a million little "fingers".
It was my understanding that it is the size of these foam cell "walls" that can get in between micro-cracks in the surface to reach dirt, where other product beings so "big" cannot touch the dirt at all.
And that the water(other used denatured alchohol) was just to "soften" the foam to get it ready to clean as dry it doesnt conform to the surface or whatever...
So I was under the impression that the magic erasure was just using its superfine surface to clean and not any "harsh chemicals".
I could be wrong, but AFAIK this was the explanation given to me about the magic erasure... I believe that the "raising of the grain" was the reason that the manufacturer gave to not use on bare wood(as the tiny fibers *would* get in between grain and possibly lift it), but since we would burnish/sand it slightly afterwards, I'm just wondering if it really harms the wood long term.
I'm not a fan of sanding and if my cue ever DID get dirty I'll use slipstic cleaner&conditioner, but afaik magic erasure should be ok to use if you dont mind sanding the grain back down....
I do have one comment/question, I thought that the magic erasure was actually just a super-super-fine foam, something like 1000x more fine than other things.
The description I read was that basically the foam has these super small "cells" that are, when compared to any other product for cleaning, like a million times more fine. And when you "cut" the foam into the blocks, the edges are basically the "sides" of each cell only now sticking out, like a million little "fingers".
It was my understanding that it is the size of these foam cell "walls" that can get in between micro-cracks in the surface to reach dirt, where other product beings so "big" cannot touch the dirt at all.
And that the water(other used denatured alchohol) was just to "soften" the foam to get it ready to clean as dry it doesnt conform to the surface or whatever...
So I was under the impression that the magic erasure was just using its superfine surface to clean and not any "harsh chemicals".
I could be wrong, but AFAIK this was the explanation given to me about the magic erasure... I believe that the "raising of the grain" was the reason that the manufacturer gave to not use on bare wood(as the tiny fibers *would* get in between grain and possibly lift it), but since we would burnish/sand it slightly afterwards, I'm just wondering if it really harms the wood long term.
I'm not a fan of sanding and if my cue ever DID get dirty I'll use slipstic cleaner&conditioner, but afaik magic erasure should be ok to use if you dont mind sanding the grain back down....
MacGyver said:
The manufacturer states not to use on dry wood. I do not think it will harm the wood especially if rinsed off afterwards to remove fibers left behind that can get trapped in the wood. Also as you stated it will raise the grain. It does do a great job cleaning though.
Composition includes (copied from site); tertiary amines (ammonium salts), Sefose (fatty acids, iodine and peroxide), Methyl Esters (bromo carboxific acids) fatty acids, glycerine and alcohols are blended to create a cleaning solution.
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MacGyver said:
There is another product called Xtreme Sponge at http://www.xtremesponge.com/. The nice thing about this product is that they have a sponge in the middle which can help reduce waste. Same as the Mr Clean product, there are probably other out there too.
These products are all the same and the real cleaning comes from the small fibers. These fibers get left behind so on bare wood so you should immediately rinse so they do not get trapped in the wood.
Gregg said:
I've tried it in the past and found it worked well, but I didn't think it worked sufficiently better than nothing at all to justify it's price. I may try the new product with the new price-point to see how it works.
I also have found that Rain-x works very well, but doesn't have the 4 week longevity that Slip-stic is purported to have.
catscradle said:
I'm sure it works well and do not want to discount products players enjoy using. One thing that we work hard at are formulations that target specific purpose without re-packaging products and clearly health considerations first. This is not to discount rain-x (75% water), but for safety reasons please read their MSDS;
Warning from rain-x
Product Label: Caution: May cause eye irritation. Avoid contact with eyes. In case of eye contact, flush eyes thoroughly with water. If irritation persists, seek medical attention. Keep out of reach of children.
Acute Health Effects: From MSDS:
Emergency and Hazards Overview
CAUTION: MAY CAUSE EYE IRRITATION.
Primary Route of Exposure: Skin, Eye
Health Effect Information
Eye Contact: Avoid eye contact. May be irritating to the eyes upon direct contact.
Skin Contact: Avoid prolonged and repeated skin contact. Prolonged or repeated contact may result in slight skin irritation.
Keep in mind that your bridge hand is touching the cue shaft, wearing the product onto your hands and there is always a possiblity that you may rub your eyes.
The reason for our newests product is to offer our conditioner at a price point that many players otherwise would not afford. $8.95 is the list which is in-line with other products. Reaching this price point was difficult due to the high manufacturing costs, though we feel it is better to cut profit than to cut performance.
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"Price point" is just a sales jargon.
Some people think they are getting a better quality product if they are spending money for it. This is not always the case.
I have no problem spending money on items that I think works, and I plan to by more slipstic when mine runs out.
Some people think they are getting a better quality product if they are spending money for it. This is not always the case.
I have no problem spending money on items that I think works, and I plan to by more slipstic when mine runs out.
Gregg said:
Therein lies the rub, I found the previous product ran out to quickly for the price. Especially when you throw in the cost of S&H since you generally can't pick it up at your local poolroom.
I intend to try the new product, but not until I've also some other unrelated items to order.
pete lafond said:
I really don't see that as an issue as it mostly evaporates. It hasn't bothered my hands or eyes yet and I've sensitive skin which develops allergic reactions at the drop of a hat. Hell, I can't even use these anti-bacterial soaps without developing a poison-ivy like rash.
But, as I said in another post, I'll give the new product a whirl when I've some other items to order from the Seyberts or one of the other online suppliers.